Frank Giampalo: Psychological Make Up of Players, Coaches and Parents

0:00:09.0 Jack Broudy: You do it, Frank. I was thinking, by the way, I really like your book, I was reading it over the weekend, and I'm shocked you and I don't know each other because it seems like we do, it really shocked. It feels like we've run in the same circles. I'm good, I was in So Cal for a long time and did a little bit of damage here and there, and good friends with everyone from caria, to Janet, to angel, to Alex levy down and Delmar, and a bunch of people. I just can't believe. We never crossed paths. Yeah.

0:00:45.0 Frank Giampaolo: Well, you know that the last 15 years, it's been a world when I've been gone on the road, just traveling and it was really enjoyable. I liked it, I coach the coaches and Jezebel, half the countries around the world, and it was great, but I just really just... We were just writing to come home and stop. Be human again.

0:01:10.6 Jack Broudy: Yeah, I hear you. My wife and I, we actually made the other move, I was grinding away, and so Cal with some good players in traveling, but the new different capacity orange ball festival winner, super national, stuff like that, Clayton just grinding. And so Cal, we just left about a year ago, I... Yeah, you're one of the reasons. I'm just sorry I left 'cause we should be... So we should be meeting in person, but... Yeah.

0:01:40.5 Frank Giampaolo: We came out here to Colorado, I.

0:01:42.4 Jack Broudy: Guess we'd had enough of paradise and Paradise at 6 a gallon.

0:01:49.9 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, yeah. Where are you in Colorado? And a part...

0:01:54.5 Jack Broudy: When we're building a home up in the mountains and right now in West Denver, so we just started framing about a week and a half ago, so I think we got another three or four months to go before the house is finished, and then we're looking forward to living up there in the mountains, and I spent my whole life pretty much on the coast, so I never really... First Connecticut, then California. I never really got into the mountains, but I have to say it's like I tell people, it's like graduating college, I feel like I'm just starting all over and making new friends and having... I love it up here. I think it's really the mountains just... Man, I can't believe I'm a mountain, man. I was always a beach. And I just love it up here...

0:02:37.2 Frank Giampaolo: Well, way to go. Yeah, I have a pull. Torch mountains too. I don't know why, but I just... I love it up there too, you get to say to me, I always had that same kind of energy. It's being on the beach or being walking around with big trees up in the mountain somewhere. Yeah.

0:02:57.6 Jack Broudy: It's a little different, I guess. I was a surfer, so I was gonna say, and I missed that, but I missed it. My last year in California got so crowded, Costco selling those damn phone boards, a drop of the people in the water, so I just got so pissed off, I said, I'm done with this sport, but I guess out here in the mounts just... It feels so wide open, you know, just mountains and bounds, and the air is a little thinner, the air is different to breathe here, it really is, like we were training yesterday, I coach a good player out here, solid 12 try, good player, and I'll be... He's already probably top 10 in the nation in 35, we wanna be one, and we're practicing up there in the mountains and some courts that at a country club where they're letting us play and they sort of invited us. It's really nice. It's a different kind of a work out, my guy said him, he goes, Man, I feel the air dinner up here, he says, it's gonna be awesome. Next week, we're playing the state open down in Denver, he said, I'm gonna be ready because the air is so much thinner up there, so just that...

0:04:08.3 Jack Broudy: Yeah, it's different. So let me introduce you really quickly, when we just started chatting... Like I said, I kind of feel like I know you just because I should know you. I know Peter Smith really well, I hung out with him quite a bit. Spend a lot of time with him, of course, 'cause of Stevie Johnson and working with him in the juniors, I got to know... I know him really well and did a few exhibitions with Pete, and I know you know all these guys 'cause I've seen not all over the place, but... Anyway, you're living at the 45 right now. I'm not sure if you know what that means, but in our world, it's a big deal living at the 45, and I'm just happy and please as I can be. To meet you for the first time on live podcast, I'm talking with Frank Gamal, and he's got a terrific book out, just... Someone had to do it. Someone had to do it, right? About the tennis parents, it's an easy read. It's a fun read and come to... Welcome to our world over here, and there's lots of people I know I'll be watching this, so say hi to everyone and introduce yourself as needed.

0:05:22.0 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, no, thanks so much, I appreciate it. So I'm finally with the legends that Jorgen, this thing and legend as an Allison old maybe. Now, we'll have some fun, I'm sure we can answer a bit and maybe even help some coaches and parents and even maybe even a few athletes, so... Yeah, no, you're absolutely. You know what, it's funny. I was reading your book, it's very different and read then Dave...

0:05:51.3 Jack Broudy: You know Dave Smith, you must. Yeah, sure. Anyway, Dave and I did a series of about eight podcasts because we just thought it'd be a good idea sort of what you just said there, maybe it'll help some coaches from parents and players, and you know, he's written a nice couple of books himself, a different writing style, I will say, it was a pain in the ass. I thought at first, 'cause I'm like, Shit, I got Zoom call on Sunday, I'm coaching and I've got finals, I wanna watch the finals of the US Open and the semi, and I had such a busy weekend, I said, I said, I'll try to look at his book. It's an easy read. I thank you for not trying to speak above your audience, and thank you for not dumbing it down because I really enjoyed it. I've worked with a ton of kids a ton, and man, their parents could use this, and I think coaches could really use your book. I gotta tell you, a lot of people throw their books at me, asked me to write stuff on it, you didn't... 'cause you don't know me, but I would have written a glowing report 'cause I really...

0:06:57.8 Jack Broudy: I gotta tell you, it really made me dig deep back to when I worked with my query, Sam's dad, terrific tennis parent by the way, terrific then a completely different style with Steve Johnson senior. Completely different style. God rest his soul, I like... Steve and I were friends, but he was a much tougher and different kind of tennis parent then Mike was Mike, a much different... Same with foreman and Warren Wood. Everyone's parents were a little different, but in some way, you had a Thin Red Line going down the book who the best parents would be, and these guys had those trades. Yeah.

0:07:44.7 Frank Giampaolo: Wow. It's interesting that we really have had a parallel because three of the kids you mentioned... I worked with three of those as well, and they were kids, so they must have just banged around a little bit, and I remember boring with a tripod, and of course, I was up at Sherwood Country Club managing that tennis facility when I met Sam... When he was a young kid, and we worked for a few together and... Yeah, but isn't an interesting... They all have different pathways. Yeah.

0:08:19.0 Jack Broudy: Yeah, well, I mean, Warren's parents were pretty... The mom... She was pretty into it. Kevin was to actually the dad, but they kind of let Warren do their thing, and I'd say the same about Sam, but Steve... A whole different story with Steve, he was in there like stink on a monkey, you know what I mean? And that's not to put them down because he did some great things, look, he was a great coach himself, Steve and a strange circumstances, how he died though they still form and told me they still, after five, six years... No autopsy, they still don't know what it was. He just went to sleep and never woke up. I think that it was hard, but they just don't know.

0:09:03.8 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, I bet. I suspect he was in the Trinity that cancel lessons to go to doctor's... They probably do vice versa. Right. You know.

0:09:14.2 Jack Broudy: It's funny, Steve was really funny. I would have thought he'd live decades beyond me. I'm not so good. I mean, we go to Orange Bowl, we'd go to the hard core. Now, all those tournaments, right, 'cause the boys played dubs together, forming and Johnson played dubs together in the 1416, 12, all those young groups. And you know, I'm having dinner and I'd have a beer or two and... No, not Steve boy, he just wouldn't have a beer... He was really straight laced. A Steve Senior. Of course, the Steve Junior was two, but yeah, I don't know what it was, he just... And we'd have lunch together every Monday, we'd have lunch together, and then we work with the boys Monday, Wednesday, Friday for about three years over at the Rancho San Clemente tennis. And if you know where that tennis in a nice little club. Yeah, Lifetime bought it, unfortunately, because he returned to...

0:10:14.3 Frank Giampaolo: Ironically, I opened that club with Bob Lutz in the 90s, so I was the first director of that club for about 10 years, really, as.

0:10:23.4 Jack Broudy: You worked with that guy... What was his name? Lot, that's it.

0:10:29.5 Frank Giampaolo: Yes, anyway, so that was a very interesting part. But then I went back to work with Vic Braden after that as his agent, and decided to travel with him and the senior tour, if you remember back in the day, it was called a new team touring. I do, I was like Yo Han and back in her home, it was like The Globe Trotters really... He wasn't that serious.

0:10:51.9 Jack Broudy: Now they knew who was gonna win. Before the match started. Yeah, I know. Yes.

0:10:56.6 Frank Giampaolo: But it was a blast. Yeah, so we do were running in the same circles, and that was a beautiful club up there, for sure.

0:11:03.5 Jack Broudy: Yeah, it was a sweet little jam up there in the mountain overlooking.

0:11:08.4 Frank Giampaolo: I was so happy when Steve took it over after Steve Johnson senior. And then he did a great job, but yeah, that was Travis in our industry to lose him. So.

0:11:23.1 Jack Broudy: He was one of a cone was a real old school, you know, you know, it's funny I use that word. Old school.

0:11:28.6 Frank Giampaolo: So I'm reading your book.

0:11:29.8 Jack Broudy: I'm a little more than half way through your book, which I have to give myself props for, 'cause like I said, there's a bitch of a weekend to read and to find the time to reading.

0:11:39.8 Frank Giampaolo: A telltale that you're... Yeah.

0:11:42.3 Jack Broudy: The one thing you said, and I gotta tell you, that word comes up a lot as I'm reading your book, and I think it's flattering personally, but old school... That came up in my mind a lot. Talking about the coaches and the parents. And dignity and respect. And things that I think guys like you and I might see is just very, very simple like of course, but you know, we've lost so much of all this stuff today, I don't know if parents and coaches have the kinds of talks... My dad used to call them Father-Son talks, Hey, we're gonna have a father-son talk, and we talk about things like loyalty, discipline, appreciation. I just don't know if that exists that much anymore, 'cause your book is filled with it, and I'm like, Well, these are real life lessons here, but I kept thinking, but this is really old school stuff.

0:12:52.1 Frank Giampaolo: Well, I hope that people that read some of the books find the connection that it's the predecessor to even preparing properly for tournaments and training properly, that if they don't have wonderful life skills and character traits, they're not Indian train rate, so getting results. Forget about it, in my opinion. So that comes first, and that is kind of the parents job description a lot of times in education to his parents, they're overstepping their boundaries a little bit, and they're trying to teach bend your knees on your low back and valley, they're not leaving that stuff to the coach, 'cause they're just not taught what their job description is, once they learn, Okay, my jobs is this X and O and the coaches are doing this side, then it's kind of a beautiful harmony with the parent, player coach, but if parents are not educated, they're usually... Well, the analogy I would use is usually the ship's anchor, when they should be... The ship's motor. I read that, I read that. Yeah.

0:14:01.1 Jack Broudy: I was a motor or runner, I can't remember, but... Yeah, but you're right about the anchor part... You know, it's funny, I'm reading your book and I'm thinking back to some of the players that I had. I won't mention some names now because these are negative stuff, but there was one kid, he was number one in the boys, this is when they had boys tennis, you may be too young to remember that, but they had boys 10 and under in the SoCal section as this was... Oh, 96, 97, right in there. I think they stopped doing tenders around 2001 or 2002, but they had a ten under... And I had a boy, he was number one in SoCal, and he won the sectionals and the tennis, he had a mother every time he would miss, she'd slap her leg like that, and this kid, I saw it in the tennis, he started getting a twitch by the time he was 12, he had a terrible witch, itami was for... Yeah, I mean really... And it was constant, it was all the time, he would just switch all the time, it was a habit that he ingrained from this habit of hers, and of course, by the time he was second year boys 14s, not only would it a ranking drop, he quit and started playing lacrosse, and so that was one of the terrible stories, and I think of some others, I'm sure I can't tell you any stories that you haven't heard before, but...

0:15:26.0 Jack Broudy: That was one that stuck out in my mind. This kid had a real talent for tennis, I mean he was something else, but he quit the game completely, and I think it destroyed him in a lot of ways, he had this... A trick, a tick.

0:15:38.4 Frank Giampaolo: That's what it's gonna be. And with some of the studies, you know that 70% of the kids quit by page 13, and the number one reason report is tennis parents, and it's the same in every sport, so it's not just... It's not a tense issue, there's much such sport related, it's just the Eagle of the parent really that they give you to be educated in every sport, How to be a Woman, labyrinthine.

0:16:11.7 Jack Broudy: They call stage mothers and other things. Right.

0:16:15.1 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, I'm trying to remember that. Yeah, a helicopter parent or tiger mom or... Yeah, it's common. All over the world, right?

0:16:25.7 Jack Broudy: I think part of it, and the other thing that kept striking me also is you have to be a good person... To be a good coach, you have to be a good person to be a good parent. And that is an issue in itself, because how do you deal with a parent or a coach even that's not a good person, I had... Some of my kids, I remember Forman and Karen, his sister Karen, she was a good player. They went to a clinic or a workout somewhere, 'cause I would always send them out, I was more a private guy, even though I did a lot of big workouts in the early 2000s, I don't know, I was making more money doing privates or something, and I really enjoyed the private born. I don't know if you're familiar with my boards, those things that swivel and all that, so that's a... Yeah, so anyhow, was more interested in technical stuff, I really went from being a hardcore everything coach, trying to study nutrition and everything, I said No, I'm gonna just lock in on technical, so I'd send my kids out to these clinics, you know whether it was born Center or La Costa or wherever, wherever.

0:17:24.9 Jack Broudy: The new clinic was... You do have to try it out, right? Yeah, well, my... Two of my kids went and they came back to me and they said, You know, Jack, before the work out, we were just sort of stretching and fumbling around, and the coach had a saw there, he give us a lecture on, when is a good time to cheat. And I was just like, I was called, I will not mention the coach's name. You probably know them. And I was just shocked. I just said, Well, you can forget that. That's bullshit. You can just forget it. And format had a bad habit of playing service that we're this far out, he played him in... In fact, you know what, most of the great players did that, Sam did it, Stevie to some degree, not as much as the other... Warren was terrible. And I see Warrants is a gold ball tournament. What the hell are you doing? He goes, Man, I just know I got sick. The guy double fought the three times in like four games, and I just wanted to hit the ball, I said to you, Lisa, the best players, they really...

0:18:27.2 Jack Broudy: At least my best players didn't cheat, but I couldn't believe that the coach was literally coaching them on when is a good time to cheat and how to cover the ball with your feet in your body, so they can't tell where it hit the line in... And.

0:18:39.7 Frank Giampaolo: I was just like, besides myself. This was back in 2002-2003. But have you ever heard... Have you ever heard of that? Well, yeah, in different countries had the coach and players talk about... And the dead athletes in Spain would say, our coach tells us to cheat in the first couple of games just to see if the opponent is confrontational enough, are they gonna come up and confront me on the issue or not, and if they're not, then we can chill there on when we need it. That was interesting, I thought... I did get... I moved to California, right from Ohio State in 85, and I went straight to the bird and tennis college to work, but I got to meet Jack Kramer a bunch, and I remember he said back in the 1930s, there was about six bad calls per match. Really?

0:19:37.9 Jack Broudy: When there was not that much money in it...

0:19:40.8 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, but I gotta be honest, kind of like, I'm more concerned about when our athletes hoop themselves, they have an ad in and they play all the 4 inches out, and then they lose the point, now it's back to Jews and they keep themselves out of the game 'cause they're not making the call, so if your... Gets interesting with that all side of it. And to me, it's always about... It's not the drama, but it's how they handle the drama, and with kids that get the analogy and the rattle snake bites him, is it the fight that kills them more than venom coursing through their veins for the next five hours. And the kid goes well known to the venom and that... Well, yeah, that's the same thing with cheating, they might get one point, but if you're still stressing about it and you're still thinking about it, you could lose games if you're not handling it, so I guess that's a big part of it, that mental emotional education is presenting protocols, how do they handle locking and cheating and people that fit the score, or in different countries, they're great at accusing you of cheating or play with Egerton, the Ford would throw their rack it down.

0:21:09.4 Frank Giampaolo: It's 33. What are you talking about? Oh yeah, oh yeah. So it gets all exciting, but to be most of the time, it's control where you can control, and when I have conversations with most parents and players, especially a ruling match plate video analysis, they do seem to be cheated at a two or three points, but then I would remind them about the 40 unfortunate in the match to think about controlling that you don't have to worry so much about the two or three, you know...

0:21:47.8 Jack Broudy: Well, I think for me... You're right, you're right. I think for me it's more about... I think about certain kids that really had beautiful games, and they were beautiful kids, they weren't tough, they weren't tough, but they were sweet kids, and the cheating chased them out of the game and that... About... That kind of bothers me. I think that's what bothers me the most about it. Not at the highest levels. 'cause they can handle it. I mean, foreman, we went, I think it was the hard... Courts in the quarter finals. Oh my God, I thought Steve was a big guy. I know was gonna jack this guy up, it was... He cheated him so bad, he said, So you bring cheap one more time, I'm gonna kick your ass, and a lot of players could do... I know Alex did it when we played dubs levy down in Delmar. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice player. Nice, a great guy, but anyway, he was a tough, tough on Bray when it came to that. So at the high levels, I don't think it really matters. I just don't like the way it chases KIND Kids kind sweet kids on of the game because they could be enjoying the game their whole life, but they have a bad taste in their mouth from let's say is 12 and under.

0:22:54.3 Jack Broudy: You know what I mean?

0:22:55.5 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, that's a good point. And I find that a lot of the athletes, it's nature and nurture. You know what I mean? Some kids are born natural born warriors and they are fine fighting, some have to be nurtured. Like maybe they come from a family with siblings and they have to fight for the last slice of pizza or the last year, the remote control or whatever, they're used to fighting, but other kids are born... Their natural born warriors, they worry about everything, and some kids are just wired like that, and they're driving to the tournament site and they're already worn about the wind blowing at 18 miles an hour and the sun angle, and there's a shadow Stoney can pick a million things to worry about... And kids are just wired differently, and that it's part of our job as coaches is to teach both sides, teach the hardware and the software how to handle anxieties like that and... Yeah.

0:24:00.8 Jack Broudy: Yeah, I know, I used to tell him. Go ahead.

0:24:04.4 Frank Giampaolo: Well, no, this is gonna say it, it sure is interesting at the higher levels, 'cause I find myself nowadays teaching more of the software... Like the mental and the emotional. A lot of the kids that I'm working with nowadays, I'm doing this, there's a new CTA I performance group called Team SoCal, they're doing again this year, but it's... Paul anion and I are doing it starting January, we'd be doing every month, a couple of times a month, and we're just working on the software side, but it's... Sure, it's interesting kid, you're just wired a little bit different, it's our job to get into their world and figure out how they tick and how they handle these issues and buyout that.

0:24:48.7 Jack Broudy: I like the way you put that in the book, I don't have the athlete try to get into your world, you and the coach have to get into their world, and that was something that struck me pretty nicely, I thought... That's good thinking. 'cause kids are different. Very different. Yeah.

0:25:05.6 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah. Well, I think it's a big part. You see it in different countries, even like for example, when I was working at an Academy in Barcelona, we were doing some mental emotional stuff and they teach what they called the Spanish method right now for one...

0:25:23.8 Jack Broudy: Well, I worked over at the Milos in Barcelona for a sounder, and they gotta say 1520, Keeton the baseline, get the walls at your time at.

0:25:37.3 Frank Giampaolo: Each... In the Spanish way it... I don't know when you were there, but I was there. Let's see, I was over there in 2006, I think it was all this... You know, you lift that front. That was a big deal. That's what I remember about. I met Jones, I met Amelia, and they were all teaching a literati think it's terrific people out systems, I think it's important for them, but to me it's more of a customized situation, like what if players like Sampras William sisters. What if they were forced to stay 1 feet behind the base line and get 30 balls in, they may have to put this part, we may not... Iterate that last tournament. She gets any close in and more inside the base line, she'll be short hopping everything. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, to laugh a minute out there, right. Yeah.

0:26:45.6 Jack Broudy: I guess it is. I guess it is, like I said, it really evoked your book... I don't know, I guess the purpose really is to help people and grow the game and all that stuff, but for me, it just evoked some old memories, there were some strange... Some strange things that happened on my court, not just the mothers who come out on their high heels and walk out on the court to say something to their daughter, not that... And their daughters did end up being in the top 50 in the world, so I can't say maybe she was right, but then I had one fellow, so he had two boys and his son was an older one, he won the National clay court boys 14. Good player, and he had a little brother and I was teaching him and he was only seven years old, the older brother was 11. And I hadn't thought about this in decades until I read your book, but the father comes out Middle Eastern guy, tough to Middle Eastern guy, and wealthy very well then, and his son's goofy around, were having fun 7 and I try to keep it light.

0:27:50.1 Jack Broudy: Were on the swivels, you know? So I think he hit a ball any spun around or something, which I like Sam used to do that. I think it's fun when the kids realize, Oh, you know, I've got so much balance, I can hit the ball and spin around and stick the landing, so I was smiling and it brought up this memory and I completely blocked it out because it was so disturbing. So disturbing the father comes out and yells at the kid, kid starts crying, don't... He says, Repeat after me. He says, You're wasting the coach's time. And I was like, Jesus is a little overkill. I had no idea how overkill it was, then he says, Repeat after me, now this is to a seven-year-old... Time is money. Money is power. Power is everything. Repeat that kisses. I don't want to... He says, You repeat it, he made him repeat that three times, tears rolling down the kid's face, I'm humiliated, I'm mortified. I don't know what to do because you know you can't just say the fire, what the hell is the matter with you? 'cause what I wanted to say it...

0:29:00.0 Jack Broudy: That's what I was getting to about 15 minutes ago, you know, it starts with being a good person, and I don't know if just reading your book will be enough to make someone a good person, you know, it's only gonna ring true with people that are... Have a conscience.

0:29:15.1 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, that's exactly right. But the good news is the only people that will pick up the book are the ones that have the conscious and the people that are more of that Ida personality. They're not gonna read a book. They already know it all. You know what what I mean?

0:29:31.7 Jack Broudy: So you're probably right about that.

0:29:35.3 Frank Giampaolo: I just kind of figured I do that what we're gonna do. I'm gonna help people that are seeking out the help, and the people that need to help the most probably are not gonna be seeking out help... That's kind of what I've found. But if we can help that the masses... That's great. And a... That was the whole concept with that one, the first edition came out in, I think 19... Maybe 19, 98, 99. And then the second edition, which you have, I think came in a couple of years ago.

0:30:14.6 Jack Broudy: And that's what I have.

0:30:16.3 Frank Giampaolo: Okay, so now we're just finishing the psychology of tennis parenting, which kills even a little bit deeper into the actual job descriptions and the conversations that parents should be having with their athletes and how they should be involved, and what are their roles in this whole process and... So look, I think it's a great time right now to be doing this, there's a lot of openness to the software side... I think I even remember watching the ladies use open finals a couple of days ago, and they did the interview off-part interview and because the top gallacher sport psychologist and she was 12 years old, and I think that's meaningful for athletes to hear... Parents to hear that it doesn't mean that your child is broken, if they wanna work on the mental emotional... To me, the mental is more of the Xiao of strategies, tactics, knowing who you are and what your strengths are, how to open up patterns and run pattern to those your strengths, that to me is the tale, more the mental game. Tour Management Component, profiling next step, but then emotional side to me was always performance anxiety, which is the fear, nervousness, taking panicking, choking, closing out, leads all those up that we've been hearing forever, and so people are getting more into what they're Boing into that now.

0:32:05.1 Frank Giampaolo: So.

0:32:06.0 Jack Broudy: I think you had some dramatic instances in the last couple of years... I mean, my first thought is Osaka. I mean, here's a player that we all thought would be Okay, she's just gonna roll through the rest of these girls, she has great strokes, and she's pretty heady out there, but then all of a sudden, of all players... I was so surprised when I first read, Oh, she's not playing this tournament because... And the stress is too much for her, and I was like, Wow, you know, it was a big surprise actually for me to see that 'cause I'm so used to Sampras and all these guys and you never really heard about that. And there's a lot of talk, I guess, these days about openness and everything from inclusivity and all this, and some of it's too much for me, to be honest with you. Some of it's just too much, I'm like, come up. But then again, a lot of... It's real. I know I've had a lot of stress. One of the reasons I was so happy when the ncaa's ended for me, I was kind of relieved. I'm like, Oh, pressure's off.

0:33:13.0 Jack Broudy: I've been having this pressure since the 12 and under it, and I thought, Shit, now I'm just gonna coach and relax and... But those guys have the pressure for the next 10 years, 'cause it was pretty stressful trying to please your parents, trying to not embarrass yourself in a... Make sure you know that the girls in college like you, you know, I mean, there was just so much to make sure your coach doesn't drop you from three on the team to six on the team, and there's pressure all the time, and so I think a lot of players I notice a lot of players will quit, in fact, most of the players that stay on and play the 35 and 45.

0:33:51.9 Frank Giampaolo: They're the ones that started late now... Yeah. Ones are started in the Boys tennis and stuff like that. They're just happy to be done with it. Yeah. Being that too, for sure. Well, my daughter, just by tenants, she hasn't picked up her racket since she finished playing at USC, so that's been a decade. So when He... With all the kids, you know, with Stevie and those guys, he was Sarah fans, that was my step-daughter and she had... I've heard that name. Sure, sure, sure, yeah. She was number one in the nation and kinda play the US opened by 15, and she got enough, she was satisfied. She doesn't need to play adult ladies leagues, such her point of view now, so maybe later in her 30s or 40s, maybe she'll pick up the game again, but I think if you have 10000 hours in, you deserve a little break, you agree, what is she intends to... No, no, but a lot of the life skills though, I manage... It's a promotional company, but things like I'm just perseverance and resiliency, she told me that she was gonna call an example of life skills really help after he...

0:35:20.3 Frank Giampaolo: But there was an insurance company, a nationwide company, and she looked up and found the owner of the company is... I'm gonna call in every week until they buy our clinics, and she called him every week, every week, so three months later, and they ended up buying the product and she goes, That's just... It's from ten, it's that not quite the resiliency and perseverance that she learned from playing a sport, and so I think that's really why parenting to know they're not paying for is... But I'm paying for the game of tennis, they're paying for the life skills that you know the child is gonna get up at 60 in the morning and work out before school, not that they're paying for the ability to get back up and close out a match when they just take the second set that what they're paying for, all of these light skills and character traits, and maybe even the moral compass when they have this urge is thinking, to cheat or to cheat that retaliation hooking, but now they have the moral compass and they're not gonna cheat, they're gonna do it, they're gonna do when they're gonna win a legit, and all these life skills that we want the kids to have in college and beyond, they're founding the sports, and...

0:36:44.8 Frank Giampaolo: I don't think it's fair to say that tenants teaches life skills. I think it exposes life skills and exposes bad life skills, and so I think that happens even more so that kids lose in a tournament match, and you see they don't have time management, they don't have their organizational skills intact to prepare for pressure properly. And so they see all these lines... Files that are not quite ready for prime time. And that's what I love about tennis. It teaches that side. If the parents are mature enough to identify it... Yeah.

0:37:24.6 Jack Broudy: You know it's funny, guy should talk and really brings up some stuff my... And it's not just you, it's not just the player, it's the perception of the play... Of the athlete. Yeah, my dad always said, I want you to be a beautiful tennis player, or he says, If you're a beautiful tennis player or a beautiful golfer, he says, Forget the other sports. He says, I'm talking about... And this is when I was a kid, he says, I'm talking about business, so you're a beautiful tennis player or a beautiful golfer, people will think this is what I always say, people think you're better than you are now. And I always remembered that and I saw, well, that is interesting. Yeah, it's true, let's face it. You look at a guy like better, and you think he's just gotta be the greatest human being on the earth, because who could play that beautifully and being asshole, he just couldn't... I couldn't do it. The guy is just... He really is poetry in motion, you know, and there must be something special about him other than the way he plays tennis, and so I always remembered, people will think you're better than you want, and then it hit me once when I was about 26, I was kind of sick of teach coaching right then and paid hurt my arm, I was really sore and still using small headed, I wasn't gonna switch to the Prince, I was like, Screw that it's a fad at...

0:38:44.4 Frank Giampaolo: So I was taking with the using some things of grabs Award or something that...

0:38:49.2 Jack Broudy: 'cause I got a 2 20 a year. You needed 20 year as they broke like popsicle speaks and my arm was sore and I just said, You know, I gotta try something else, so I applied to AT and T of all places, big corporation. Didn't even own a suit. I had to borrow my roommates suit and shoes, I didn't know to pair of shoes, and so I bowled all my roommate stuff and I went there and they were guys with beautiful cross pens in their pocket, and they were dressed to the nines, and I thought, There's no way I'll ever get this job, 'cause there were 350 applicants for two positions, and this was back in the 1980s, and that... I am old man, I am... You're a young man next to me, I can see that already, but... So this guy, Charlie was my boss, and I got the job, I was blown away. And I'm literally blown away 'cause I told my room... And when I got home, I said, Dude, there's not a chance in hell. I'm getting this job. Not a chance in a million. And so I walked into my boss's office the very first morning, 9 o'clock in the morning, and I looked at him and I said, You know Mr.

0:39:58.4 Jack Broudy: Button, he goes, Now call me Charlie. Okay, I gotta ask you something. Why? Why in the world did you hire me? That's what I said, I said, I'm here now I'm on salary, I'm feeling good. But you gotta tell me, Why did you hire me? He goes on your resume. It said you played for University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. He says, I went to Chapel Hill, he saw his... To watch the said, I used to watch the tennis players in amazement and just go, How could they perform like that all the time and not miss and under big pressure passed the guy or hit a big serve, he said, I was in awe of the tennis players at my school, we were seven in the nation, and he said, That's why I hired you, so that kind of proved my father's point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:40:44.0 Frank Giampaolo: Very cool. Yeah.

0:40:49.4 Jack Broudy: I... Yeah.

0:40:50.4 Frank Giampaolo: It really is. So what do you think about pickle ball? Well, you don't have... Honestly, I haven't played yet. I dealt in the last few years, and some of the ex-tennis players from the tennis team at Wichita the shakers, they're the top ticket players now on the tour, Lucy and Jay, and that, and it's interesting that they're doing well, they're being a tricky living, traveling and playing pickle ball, but I'm just curious to see how it's gonna affect the chiropractors business and from all the bending and the shots in the kitchen and the knees, you get it that it's a game that the masses can play a difficult... I get that, you know, the smaller court, it is very social. To me, I kind of remind me of what tennis was like when I was a little kid, and the tennis boom, you know, and you'd go to the court or a club and you could... You could even get on a court and... So I don't mind it, I think it's gonna help Dennis. I think Penn, it's already showing that tennis participation is actually up, so the... Yeah, the tenses up with Pickle, both rising, but the only issue is the court, but the pick-up, in my opinion, that pick up all athletes and they pick up all owners now should have their own apical facilities and not approach on the tennis courts.

0:42:37.6 Jack Broudy: But you must know about the San Diego issues. I've been reading about it. Bigger in fist cups down there, I've heard... That's what I've heard. I've heard it, some clubs were, they putting the pickle ball and this and that. I don't know, I guess my only point about pickle ball is I think it's fine for people to be outside, I kind of related to surfing, I used to serve unit a year ago when I moved and people go to your boogie board. I go, Well, I can Boyband, but if you serve, why would you boogie board? And that's kind of how I feel about tennis. If you have a nice ball, why would you play pickle Bob and... I don't know, the only thing I can think of is, is what we were talking about earlier about when you finish college tennis and all the guys quit... Yeah, I think pickerel and take to say it 'cause it's my phrase these days, but it's kind of for Quitter because you don't really put your heart on the line, I can tell you tennis, every time you step out to play match, it's almost like a prize fight, every time you step on the court, you face possible humiliation, you know, so many bad things can happen to you that day, I don't feel it's that way in pickle ball, I don't really...

0:43:55.2 Jack Broudy: I know the rackets not three feet away from your hand, so... Yeah, that's right. So there's really no chance of facing that humiliation, there's no chance of having an unbelievably bad day, so to me, I think it takes your heart off the line a tennis, your heart is always on the line and... Tennis. Yeah.

0:44:18.3 Frank Giampaolo: Well, it just seems a lot more Solheim... Sure, at the higher level is it gets pretty physical, but... I don't realize your pet's a drinking game. I mean, it's a... No, it's like golf. You can play with a cigar in a cocktail and you're fine... You know what I mean? Anyway, that's what I see, like runners, the bar is very crowded at pickle all events. So.

0:44:51.1 Jack Broudy: That's a good point, you're right. It is social first. I would say it's social first, at least at that certain level of club level... Yeah.

0:45:00.2 Frank Giampaolo: But it's probably gonna trickle down and I haven't seen junior clinics and things like that, or pick up all academies yet, but are coming here to... There are a lot of tennis pros that are... They're loyal to the money they make that... No, really Loyd the game of tennis. So they're all teaching pickle ball, they're all getting certified and thick, all coaching, and then that's fine, that's the... Before, a lot of country clubs. Right, they want the tennis pros to be able to teach both. Oh.

0:45:40.1 Jack Broudy: Yeah. Oh yeah.

0:45:41.2 Frank Giampaolo: 'cause you know they want members.

0:45:43.6 Jack Broudy: Right now, I haven't gone down that road yet. I played one over Bobby Riggs where it's really... Boi played three sets and it was okay, but it certainly wouldn't take me... I never... Let's put this way, I never really wanted to play again. Okay, I think it's a good way to bring people together. And like you said, it's drinking. It's a drinking game like my neighbors here, I can't imagine... I could ask my poles who are my neighbors to go hit some tennis balls, but I could imagine it asking to go play some pickle ball, we probably... You can always have an okay time, you can't have an okay time and tennis if you have one week link, even in doubles one week link, all of a sudden it's not much fun anymore.

0:46:25.8 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah.

0:46:31.2 Jack Broudy: So tell me just a little bit more about... Now, you have another book out or is that the only one, the tennis parent Bible. Now.

0:46:38.2 Frank Giampaolo: I have about 10 books out. That's what I do. Yeah, there's a lot that I think six of them became number one best seller, and so I'm pretty lucky in the fact that... I don't know, like you said, if it's a writing style or the topics, but... Yeah, so in racket sports, they're doing well. I wrote for Human Kinetics, if you remember that, the public... I don't remember it well. And yeah, so championship tenants was there, I think they said it was their best selling tennis book they've ever had, and that's a book that's kind of based on the whole game approach, where there's a lot of stroke mechanical topics in athleticism and not just mental and emotional, but most of the books are really based on mental and emotional summer for coaches, the soft science of tennis based on coaching the game and white personality profiles matter, and how we would adapt our teaching style to fit different personalities and how different people are wired differently. See the game differently, and even how different brain types play the game differently, 'cause some people are maybe are more patient, some are impatient, so are very intuitive, they wanna just try it first to think about it later, some are more sense, that's a certain personality profile that wants all the facts before they make a decision, and that he is taught a little bit different than an intuitive player, if they want all the info, there's judges and perceives when...

0:48:28.1 Frank Giampaolo: When we talk about the idea, Myers-Briggs type of indicators, and so you know that a non-example of athletes that are going bourchier brain side, there's a people that their brain is not found in the here and now we're not paying attention to what we're talking about their brain news already in the future, they're already thinking about what's for lunch? Where is my meeting next or my homework next... So you see it, you see precedes all the time, they get up five, two and a match, they're all of a sudden now thinking about where is the trophy gonna go in my room, which my you car gonna go to to... What if my parents would say, one of my friend's gonna say, Would I beat this kid and now they're so involved into the outcome, what are future thoughts? They blow the lead and they do it on a time, sure, it's five of... And Alta side, they gotta get their head back in the here and now, the present instead of being future-oriented, and so anyway, there's certain people we can just do personality profiling and we can tell we're gonna have trouble with what...

0:49:37.6 Frank Giampaolo: And so to me, it's really interesting. Another good example might be the takers or feelers in the world of personality profiling thinkers in personalized situations, feelers are very in-tuned to the harmony of the group and they wanna be friends with everybody, people that are really feelers, they have a boat of trouble with gamesmanship, especially if the opponent that uses them of cheating, oh, they're gone, they're just cost... So if we know other wire, we know the future problems that are gonna come down the pike, so that's not science, that's pretty interesting, but that was one of the Desmond I ran the BTR and do a lot with SPT both, and now at the USTA. So they're all backing these things and they're getting behind it and anyway, we're trying to help keep the parents about how kids are wired, and so if anybody's interested in that and our listeners just go, just Google that Google, Myers breaks, scindia Tor. And Myers and Briggs were at mother-daughter duo that studied the psychology of Carl Young, but margin Briggs are not like a psychologist, they wrote the most important indicator type indicator probably in the history of psychology, and they're not even psychologists, but they studied the work and they came up with this Mirage Britain, dictator to online, just takes a three course and take a free quiz, it takes maybe 10 minutes, and now this in...

0:51:26.5 Frank Giampaolo: You are to read and you realize you're wired a certain way, it was a four-letter Arnie, you're more of an extrovert and you like being around people, you get energy by being around people, and maybe you're more intuitive and you like to build with your gut instincts and maybe you're a thinker, maybe you're a judge, a judge is a kind of person that... Roland law is really applied and they're very organized, they're the kind that make lists... I was coaching this Kapiti, the Midwest, the Dodge area, a good accountant, tremendous accountant by the judge, and after every match, he would give his son his list, here's the 15 things you're still doing wrong, every math, and you can imagine that the kid does anything he can not to play a tournament 'cause he's just gonna be in the test. Right. And so anyway, there's a lot of different personality profiles, but to me, the thing that was super important in my life was when I talked about this, this is something that we did with big brain back 20, 30 years ago. But 25 years ago, I talked to my father about personality profiling. Now, get this.

0:52:42.8 Frank Giampaolo: He's more of a native Marlowe. You like speak alone. He likes to have a quiet time. Introvert, I'm more extrovert. He's more sense... Do want all the facts? I'm more an intuitive guy, he's more of a venture on more of a feeler, he's more of a judge, I'm more of a perceiver, so we're wired opposite now, I'm in my 30s, and for the first ten in my life, he says, You know, I got to apologize. I raised you wrong, I try to make you be like me, and you're not wired like me, you don't do wonder why we didn't see the world the same... And so the first time in my 30, he tells me he loves me. And yeah, and so it was really meaningful for families to... It stops a lot of wars because the parents are like, they're not doing it right, they're not doing it my way, they're not doing it correctly, and then they realize, Man, they really... The kid's not wired like you and they solve a problem differently.

0:53:46.2 Jack Broudy: Of course, my first thought goes to Andre, he had some of those issues, and I know Rudi sister, and then the whole family, because the dad, I remember and the boys 14 some tournament in So Cal, I think... I can't remember if my boy Beamer lost to me, but I just remember they were leaving the tournament, the father pre was a prize fighter and tough guy, Andre didn't win the turned me lost in the finals, but he played an age group up, you know the usual he's like 11, he played in the 14th. And the father, I watched him as they were walking out of the trophy, he says, You lost this tournament, he took his trophy, ripped it from them through the trash and they walked out, and that really waited on me. I was like, Oh yeah, I've never seen anything like that. And Andre ran away from camp and he... And had tons of problems. Yeah, drugs and everything else, because maybe it's because of exactly what you say, he was brought up really against his green...

0:54:57.5 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, yeah. Well, I was at a conference with NIC Polity, he said, Because all I really did with gay was I just kept him in the jail. Yeah, that was a... That I don't let me look at the incredible person on drag became and everything he's doing for the world is just amazing, and yet are the... Tatyan, didn't he give feelers and were a perceiver, but didn't he lose his first two grandson finals to courier and beat most of the juniors, and he was supposed to win, I think, but he was too overwhelmed by...

0:55:49.4 Jack Broudy: He lost a courier in Sampras, I think in his first two... Okay, I think so. And then I think, you know, so it's not like we haven't had these issues through the years, like I said, Oh, soccer comes to mind now, but now that I think about it... What about married? Beersheba.

0:56:06.9 Frank Giampaolo: Probably a very similar situation, I don't really know what that... Well, I just know that she banned or dad or from coming to the tournaments or something weird like that, it was a very hard time now that that still goes on and obviously, at the top major leads, we see it, but boy, in the minor leagues that share metres, having the IT apps, that kind of thing. And what of the issues that I think is important when people are listening to this, that just because you might be an introvert or an extrovert, it doesn't mean you're a 100% one way or the other, you might be 49%, 51%. And people that are well balanced, I think are probably the most well-suited for competition, but we all have a dominant side, and it's a little bit like if you guys think about people that are listening, if you think about batting in baseball, maybe you're dominant right hand, your exhilaration can bleed is not quite as good, or all of us as teniers, maybe we can all serve and play right hand in and whatever we're in TRIO 10, but we actually... We can't play left-handed, but it's not that great, that's a solitary side, it doesn't mean you can't be on the other side, but we usually do, you have a dominant choice and we're wired with that from birth.

0:57:35.5 Frank Giampaolo: It's a genetic predisposition. You know...

0:57:39.6 Jack Broudy: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that. I don't know if one really relates to the other, but I've for 30, 40 years, I was... Remember, I'm from the 60s, I'm a little older in the song, I'm sort of brought up in that hippie hair, everything from The Inner Game of Tennis to... Yeah, remembering remembering Rod Laver and John Alexander, those guys would have a pint of fosters before they played... There's a different world back then. But I don't remember reading a book called the right side of the brain, and then another one called The Artist's Way... I don't know if you remember those. And then another one did. Gold had me read called Psycho-Cybernetics. Yeah, and all those books really waited on me, I know in my 20s, early 20s when I started coaching, I had never done it, but I had all my players still do, all my players play lefty, and we can all play... I can see. We can all serve lefty. We can play left. I just think it's very important. Kind of the premise of my boards too, the reasons I like this idea of a figure eight, I think you probably know about that, I don't know if you know me at all, but figure it was a big deal for me.

0:58:50.0 Jack Broudy: And I think the figure it is sort of the Indian of tennis, so I think... I'm not sure if it was out on the brain, I imagine it does, but I think it's good to understand that whether you're hitting with your right hand or your left hand, you know it's really the same and you shouldn't look at it that differently because... And I don't know, it just seems to me that the players that can play with their left hand or a little more balanced period, so I don't know if you like players, your players using their left hand as well, but I kind of like in the beginning of every warm-up, we usually either go two hands on both sides, short court to find that 45, that nice hitting point, so you can't reach and you have to actually swing, or we go left hand in, so either one... But that's how we start. We never start writing, it's either to both two hands on both sides, like board used to do way back, and he used to do that way back when... Or it's left-handed, and if you're a one-handed, you had to hit a one-handed...

0:59:52.0 Jack Broudy: Left hand. Yeah, so I don't know, I've always thought that there was some correlation between the physical and the mental... Right there. Sure.

1:00:00.2 Frank Giampaolo: No, I think it is, is the brain senses moto program to the nervous system, and I think... It's all linked for sure. I recommend any coaches out there that if you have a great college player and you're now you're coaching, start to hit left hand and it's gonna help remind you how difficult it is for beginners, so when you coach more beginners or intermediate... So you have a little more compassion that it's not as easy as we feel it is, 'cause we've been doing it for so long, we've all been doing that kind of stuff, and another thing that comes to the mind though is this is way back in the eelgrass call in, but we did electropop where we had these sensors and long players would hit two and back end with their right hand, and the left hand muscles would be just long for the ride. He would just be dead. Now, pros of leptin would be firing bad, like I wrote the on the Don, left hand, Domini and the right hand would be pretty quiet, so opposite hands, a club players and poplars use. That was interesting to be two way back then.

1:01:15.4 Frank Giampaolo: I remember that.

1:01:16.4 Jack Broudy: Do you remember that one video that was going around and you had to find it, it was on an eight track and you had to find it, but it was a video of Stan Smith and Chris Evert and all those players, and you saw how their emotions like you were saying with those electrodes, and you saw that... And I got that, I got a hold of one and I was watching it, it was a little fluffy or back then, you know the inner game and all that stuff, it was a little fluffy, but it's still a good... They were on their way. Let's put it that way.

1:01:45.2 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, yeah, right.

1:01:47.4 Jack Broudy: You is a lot more scientific. Like I said, it's an easy read, but still it definitely seems a little bit more pertinent, a little more scientific than just feel and flow out there.

1:02:02.4 Frank Giampaolo: To eat combine a little more of the science-based, I guess, from all those areas at the tenants call-ins where everything was studied, there was always data and collecting data and that kind of thing, so...

1:02:16.6 Jack Broudy: Yeah, God bless, God bless Vic. He really, he was good for the game, that he was... One of the reasons he was... One of the reasons that tennis was in its heyday in the mid-70s, it... I gotta give him and Bud Collins, I mean these guys, they were kind of a little goofy in their time, actually, both of them, but I look in retrospect, you really have to give them a lot of credit 'cause they brought... Tennis, tennis was way ahead of golf in the mid-70s, ever wanted to be a tennis player. And all the celebrities. Everybody was doing tennis. You know?

1:02:49.3 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we gotta do a little shout out to our front ditches an incredible new book out right now, so people should check that out if they're interested in the mind and coaching and mindset. So I recommend that for sure. So anyway, there's a lot of good stuff out there now, and it's a privilege to still be able to do it after I'm in my 40th year, so it's a prevalent to still be able to do it and to enjoy... I'm only on the court now with players, I would say 20 hours a week, but I probably do another 10 of just Zoom sessions like real match play video analysis, 'cause now, of course, with the modern technology, like it up player anywhere in the world. Send me the zoom of the match, and we just like you and I are doing right now, we can just to quantify the data. And in some ways, it's better. I do it, I have several of Zoom students and on my site, you'll maybe go through it one day I have... I have live-less on Sunday, so every Sunday, I put in at one of my live lessons during the week, I put it on for the other pros to watch, but it's amazing how much you can get done because...

1:04:15.3 Jack Broudy: Sure, I love the lessons, I guess today, it's great to be on the court, it's great to hit and do some drills, but you can't do what you can do on Zoom calls. I can take a good player, U-T-R 10 or 11 or 12, and I compare them side by side with a joke of it, or if I'm talking one handed backhand, I put him a rank, if I'm talking to handed back and I can put them against curios or Murray, one of the joke, a Ichi, love those two-handed back hands and say, Look, don't you see at this point in the stroke, you've lost your coil, look how they hang on to their coil a little longer than you. That makes a big difference. You can't do that in a private lesson on court, but you can... On the zoom. Yeah, yeah.

1:05:00.3 Frank Giampaolo: It's terrific. So I hire, recommend coaches out there, if you're looking for different ways to maximize the athlete's potential, but also maybe ways for you to get off the court a little bit and save your hips and your knees, start to do match play video analysis with all of your players try to get them or their parents to video tape one match where it matters where they're being judged, they're really keeping score, and you can quantify hardware or software, I mean, you can do all the strokes, your primary, secondary strokes, you can break down... I have Stratocaster angles traced to an open stance or closed stands, you can compare it, swing balls and drop, volley can even look at their psychological disposition, is their head down, are they tapping the racket on the court on the... It's beautiful and look, there's so many things that you can... I'll love now the pipe, a couple of things that coaches can do in kind of the video analysis session that I would do, which is more a software, but let me go through 'cause I wrote a couple of things down earlier when I was thinking about this to help coaches, but we can identify the athletes dialogue, and it's a self-coach, you can tell by...

1:06:29.9 Frank Giampaolo: Maybe you can't hear it, but you can tell by their eyes and the facial expressions and body language... Right, obviously strokes and motherfuckers and deficiencies, and it's very important, in my opinion, that... Visual learning is probably the most common. So athletes need to see themselves, a lot of times, we as coaches might see the match or for sure parents see it, but guess who doesn't see it as the person that needs to see it. The most anticipatory skills, we would do things like, as you know, we would freeze-frame, the opponent is communal, rip-lunging, vulnerable about writing their foot up on slice, and our kids still standing 10 feet behind the base line, not paying attention...

1:07:19.0 Jack Broudy: Right, right, right. Picking there. No, yep. Yeah, I mean.

1:07:22.2 Frank Giampaolo: There's so much, Stefanie, you said they're between point rituals and score management, what are they doing with change overs and charting. For me, a big key with a lot of the coaches, this thing, you can do something called the cause of a chart, and this is where you in the athlete will identify, maybe here's the four main causes, the air might be stroke mechanics, it might be caused by poor movement or spacing, it might be just reckless shot selection, or it might be poor emotions and that type of thing, but sometimes for me it's meaningful to chart the cause of the air is... I got a shirt from the parent a while ago, a couple of weeks back now, the parents at jogi, my kids back in, he made 28 backers and we looked at the film and about 22 or reckless shot selection.

1:08:25.5 Jack Broudy: It. And so for me, feeding balls or fixing the mechanics going down the line, or they should be thinking cross-court, Suren. So the parent thinks that we're gonna fix it by working on form, but what a form wasn't the problem.

1:08:41.2 Frank Giampaolo: What if it was the recklessness, like you said, you're going for drop shot too often or to.

1:08:47.9 Jack Broudy: The line when the patellar is... Last night, he was driving me nuts in the early sets and going... Ethos, ridiculous. Drop shots.

1:08:54.9 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, so anyway, there's so many things. Yeah, no, no, you're right. We could go on and on forever.

1:09:00.0 Jack Broudy: I will say one thing before I do let you go, because I really enjoy this, like I said, I can't believe I had a feeling we were gonna get on like this... I still can't believe. We haven't crossed pads. We will from now on. But one thing I will say, I almost always use the video and all that stuff for strokes, I'm really a technician now because I guess I never played the effortless game, I always wanna ugly, in my own opinion, and I think a lot of players think that way but not... And some of my disciples or fans or whatever, they all know, you play a great game, and I'm like, Well, you don't know how I feel it. That's why I love Roger so much. I was like, That's who I want. I, I wanna play curious. I wanna play like Roger, I wanna play like a bird flies. You know what I mean? I don't wanna look like I'm trying, I want it to be look natural, but I will say one thing about video, a lot of my students... I started to figure it out, and in the early 2000s, take video of them crying, I'll tell you what, I made my players look at themselves and they were hiring 12 dudes, and I didn't say a word 'cause I knew, and so I just kept video in between points in between, not just stopping at the end of the point, and I would watch them walk back and you'd hear him say, so I can't believe I'm playing like this, go what doesn't matter with me and whining.

1:10:27.4 Jack Broudy: I'll tell you what they watched that video once I had a couple of kids say, Please Jack, stop, don't make me watch this anymore, you... And I'll tell you what, you wanna care... Bad behavior. Let him watch themselves. Yeah, that I do remember if I even remember on myself in college, I think someone took a video of me and I was thinking I was whining about something and I was like, Oh my God, I never wanna be seemed like that again is...

1:10:54.9 Frank Giampaolo: It's huge for players to do that, and I also recommend for coaches take your cell phone, whether you have the dictation app and put it in your teaching basket and record yourself teaching for a lesson, and then when you drive home, listen to your own... To your own lesson. And you'll be surprised. We think we're so positive, not to optimistic, right, then we hear the tape and we're like, Oh my God, I have to refund my money to that port kid.

1:11:26.1 Jack Broudy: I hear you, I hear you, I do a lot of video, and I tell you I've really tempered. A lot of things about myself, I'm like, God, you're an asshole, you...

1:11:34.0 Frank Giampaolo: And I'm like, You gotta stop that Jack. You really got to see that. Like I said, Frank, I really enjoyed meeting you today very much... Yeah, I as possible. Hey, you know, I was gonna say, if you'd like, we should continue the conversation, if you'd like, I'd be honored to put your book on, now I get some pretty good traffic and I'd like to put your book on our site and make you a partner because I think what you have is so valuable, like I said, I didn't have time to read this weekend and somehow I really see book... Well, look, if you want you to put the tennis parent bible, you can put it on your site, just absolutely free for anybody that they can use it and they can even give it to their parents of their players and...

1:12:24.0 Jack Broudy: Wow. That's awfully generous of you. I wasn't even gonna do ask for that, but that's awfully generous, and my coach is, listen to the guys that are members of my site, they're real conscientious, they're coaching some of the top players in the country, so my ass is they'll reach out to you eventually, because they're like us, you know, they're not the typical tenants or looking at their watch and trying to make their tennis shoes and tennis shorts last another two years, these guys that... You know what I mean? There are certain pros that invest in their profession, the guys that I work with, every one of them, they're phenomenal, they really invest in what they do, and they're watching this right now, so kudos to them, but yes. That would be phenomenal if I can do that. Yeah.

1:13:09.9 Frank Giampaolo: Well, you have the e-book, so feel free. I'll do it. Yeah, and then if the coaches realize that if they can educate the parent can get the parents on their side, that's their best Salesforce, they wanna increase the numbers of athletes in their academy, it's just word of mouth by parents, and if they're helping parents and possibly be doing their own webinars once a month, where they do their own tennis parent webinars that they're helping answer questions and to get them... The parents are Kimber, very successful. Have them jump on the webinar and they can mentor and it helps everybody.

1:13:56.2 Jack Broudy: Ali HAVE A COUPLE OF zooms students in Orange County and LA and San Diego right now. I would like to send them to you. Not the kids, the parents.

1:14:08.7 Frank Giampaolo: Do you ever do sessions with parents on a Talon this morning, I... The guy told you a family from Miami, and it's basically the parents...

1:14:21.4 Jack Broudy: It's group between UT R6 and UT 8. You know what I mean? That's sort of a pivotal spot right there... Yes, and it, it'd be great. And then these kids are 14 years old. So they're pretty damn good. If you're out 75 and 14, you're doing pretty good. You're in the top 60 in SoCal. And that's where this kid is. But I think a lot of my students would benefit and the parents certainly would be... It's both. Of course. Yeah, it's a win situation.

1:14:54.0 Frank Giampaolo: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, if you wanna send them over, we can chat and then... We'll see what's going on in the state.

1:15:03.2 Jack Broudy: Good, let's do that.

1:15:04.4 Frank Giampaolo: Hey, Frank, thanks thanks so much and have a great week. Yeah. Alright, you do more body.

1:15:09.3 Jack Broudy: It's my pleasure. So long o-

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