Roscoe Tanner Tennis Legend: Part One
0:00:00.8 Jack Broudy: I welcome. This is living at the 45 today with Legendary tennis player, Roscoe Tanner. My name is Jack Broudy, I'm your host. And let's get started. Roscoe Tanner. Hi. Please say hi to everybody, everybody. Hi, Jack. Yeah, yeah. Nice to know you. The second time we were chatting just a minute ago, I met Roscoe, go through my Coach Gery Groslimond Graham and Peachtree world of tennis. Remember the WCT Club is a Marathi Urdu. I remember I met you with Gery Groslimond, you were hitting some kickers, which almost... You never almost did, but you were hitting some kick serves and I was floundering... I was 17 or 18, and you were 21, I think 22. You're just out of college? Just out of Stanford. And yeah, like I said, I was floundering denim, 'cause Gery Groslimond, he said, Go ahead, try to return these, and it was before you became you... You know what I mean? But.
0:01:04.0 Roscoe Tanner: One of the things about my tennis serve to is the Myerson a little bit more sideways than others, others tend to jump higher or stays lower, but... Sideways. Yeah.
0:01:14.9 Jack Broudy: Well, you, you you had a true slice and those are pretty under-utilized today, well, that's not true. There are some grades that use a slice... Well, me dollar uses a slice very well, but yeah, everyone's gone to the big first tennis serve and then the kicker on the second, but yeah, no, I think the slide... I coach quite a bit myself and a lot of kids, I coach we to orange ball on Calamus, new good players. You probably know some of them, but yeah, I always... It's funny, I always really preach the slice, I said, You just don't know the slice serve is so deadly, and the kick serve is so readable, and if you're a decent player, you jump on top of it and a flatter is not that hard to return any more unless you're... You or erotic or someone like that, but also those guys are staying in 10 feet behind the baseline, so there's no point trying to hit it through them because it's just... By hitting it hard, you just make sure it reaches them, but Li's cool because it bends away and it stays low and they don't like to balls too much.
0:02:23.6 Jack Broudy: That's right. Especially those western Gripper, you're absolutely right. Those were the good old days.
0:02:29.8 Roscoe Tanner: Lamar Hunt, in Atlanta, but I put a lot into it and did a lot... Prison in it, a little bit higher level.
0:02:37.2 Jack Broudy: Yeah, he really did, and I don't know if he gets all the credit he deserves because people don't really know him today, and when I was a kid, he was everything... I mean, all those, the Dallas tournament, and I know JA was the touring pro at my club, John Alexander at the metre world of Tennis, where Gery Groslimond was the coach and yeah, you floated by one day just for a little while and hit some serves, I think Gery Groslimond was talking to you while you were practicing your tennis serve and I was... I think I was 16 or 17 trying to return him and that was fun, and that was an awful long time ago, but like I said, those kind of were the good old days, and one had control of the first half of the year. There was the grand pretender, the first half part of WCT, and we traveled all over the world. Everybody wanted to get in on WCT because that was the best prize money that her half of the year with the finals in Dallas. And I loved it. When was at 78 or 79?
0:03:48.7 Roscoe Tanner: No, it was before that because I turned pro in the two, and I'm pretty sure that it was since the 73... I was playing WCT.
0:04:00.2 Jack Broudy: That makes sense, 'cause I graduated high school, and that's when I went down there. So that... I was actually from Connecticut, where you don't have a lot of tennis players I mentioned to you before, Paul Kirk. And a blast from the past.
0:04:14.6 Roscoe Tanner: He was the big player in my neck of the woods, and then of course, back in road from Port Washington came out a few years later when my first term pro, he turned pro after the NCAA in June, and then I played that happier. Then at the end of that year... Before 73, which I was gonna play WCT. I get a phone call at my house from Arthur Ashe, and it says, Roscoe, I don't have a regular tennis tennis doubles partner. Would you like to play tennis tennis doubles together all the... Next year, he was number one in the world at that time. You can love to. And so we played our first tournament was in England, in London, we played some north of London, and then the season... Finals were done at the Albert Hall. Oh yeah. And that was... We were in the semis of the tennis tennis doubles, now they're planning against Stalin Rose wall, so I'm playing on the court with Ash stale and Roswell, but I only seen on TV before, and we're playing in the Albert Hall where everybody's wearing tuxedos and chain ports or popping everywhere. It was quite an experience.
0:05:26.5 Jack Broudy: Well, I tell you, I was going through some stuff last night, in fact, I watched your whole fifth set against Borg, and I had to... I had to, I am a tennis not, which is why I do this show, and I've got a presence these days on the internet, and I had to watch the fitted last night, and it's just... The word kept coming up for me, which was iconic, it seemed like... I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like everything you... That time for starters at time 73, 75, right in there, Battle of the Sexes, Arthur Ashe and all the member, all that stuff going on. And that was some heavy times right there, and you know it's funny, I had a black tennis tennis doubles partner, you probably don't know them, but maybe you... Do you ever heard of Weldon Rogers?
0:06:16.7 Roscoe Tanner: Yes, sure do. What I've heard of them, yes.
0:06:20.1 Jack Broudy: As number one in the country, and 73 in the ATA, remember the ATA? I played some of those tournaments, I was literally the past is white guy, I was the only white guy in those tournaments, but we played dubs together, we won one, and yeah, and then they were the... Kept coming up for me. Last night was iconic. I mean, you played in an iconic time when money was just getting into tennis and it was just getting big, I was thinking last night, what a life... I mean, seriously, what a life you came up during the battle of the sections, Arthur at and all that stuff that was going on with the Olympics and Arthur Ashe and apartheid happening in Africa. And you had an iconic coach at Stanford... Come on, did good. I know Dick Gould Gould, I've known them for 30 years. Probably one of the nicest guys in tennis, period, I don't know if technically he could take a beginner to Pro, but he sure was a hell of a college coach, and... I'm an unbelievable recruiter.
0:07:28.8 Roscoe Tanner: Yeah, one of the things that... WHO has unbelievable recruiter and fundraiser, he got a family, the top family who were UCLA graduates to donate money to Stanford for attendance. Standout anyway. Yeah, gold was incredible, but.
0:07:47.6 Jack Broudy: I know the high... You know the hug fan, I didn't realize. That was a story behind that.
0:07:51.7 Roscoe Tanner: Yeah, yeah, and then... But Dick Gould had the ability... We might have an average season going through the season, we might have a couple losses, and then when he came to the pack was a packet back then the back a tournament and NCAA, we were the best every time, that would be our best results, and so we had a lot of years where we were okay throughout the season, we were maybe one and one, UCLA, but at the pace we beat them, and then we take the top four, because back then, the NCAA tournament was Every team got to send four... That's right in that and into one big draw, and you get one point for every match you went... And so it was a little bit different, but he had his teams ready to go and we did... Our first year there, we did... I got to the finals of the singles and a tennis tennis doubles, we ended up finishing third, which before that we had been barely in the top 10, and then after that, the year after that, we came in second behind UCLA, and then second behind Trinity my junior year, but... It was always right down to the Samson final sister who was gonna win those tournaments, and it was just...
0:09:14.5 Roscoe Tanner: It was really exciting, but I'll never forget as a freshman in the semis, I played Rocco Minter for me of that name. Yeah, and I ended up winning 10-80 in the 5th, 'cause the same finals were three out of five sets, and then 1108 and the 5th, and then in the tennis tennis doubles, I played with Rob ripper, who's a senior great tennis tennis doubles player, and we play it against Van Dillon and George Taylor, and we won seven, five and the fifth, the... Both matches on Saturday. So then we play... Then I come how to play the final of the singles, I'm like a dish rag. Yeah, I was gonna say, you must have been toast, 'cause also at 65 and the fifth, and the tennis tennis doubles, ripper says to me, he's humble net, quick hands, all of the place. He says to me, I am so nervous. He says, I'm not gonna touch a ball this game, I was not... If I'm gonna tennis serve, you got across and put everything away in his... No, I'm not touching the ball. He's home scared. So I tennis serve, I think he's joking. I tennis serve... They did a Bowl, right, Adam, he doesn't move it.
0:10:28.5 Roscoe Tanner: Get it. And I'm just going, he's serious, he's not gone. And so I just had to tennis serve his first and second service hard as I could for the whole game, and luckily we ended up when I... But it was... Those matches back in college were some of the best memories ever, and then, like you were saying with Arthur, playing with Arthur and seeing what he had to go through... Yeah.
0:10:52.6 Jack Broudy: That was one of my first questions. What the hell was that like? Playing with Arthur, because I can only tell you quickly, when I played with... Well, and we played the watch tour. You ever heard of that one? Yeah, Sirhan Creek on that, I believe. And there were clubs in Florida, and I hate to say this, this was back in the mid to late late 70s. I'm 78-79 that you could still see the signs, no blacks, no Jews, no dogs. And I'm not kidding, I saw one of those. And I'm Jewish. So between he and I, we were in a night... I mean, we were the minority team, and I did of freaked us out a little bit, but you... With the number one player in the world, with those snow shoe rackets, everything about Arthur was so different, even to tennis serve with the Quest, the two steps tennis serve, he really changed the game in a lot of ways. But there was still that stigma, what was it like traveling with him? And I'd really like to know that.
0:11:57.4 Roscoe Tanner: Well, there were some unbelievable situations in the locker room where... 'cause he wasn't a guy that would stand up and put his fist in the air, he went to the back rooms to get something done, and didn't blast anybody publicly and all that sort of stuff, and they used to come into the locker... Oo, yelling at him because he wouldn't stand out and make a public speech and all that sort of stuff about that, and he just was more interested in getting something done, he didn't care about getting a lot of credit or all that kind of thing, but he... And I had some unbelievable conversations as we traveled around the world, because in those days with your tennis tennis doubles partner, that was sort of...
0:12:37.0 Jack Broudy: That's your team, man. That's your whole... That's your own freaking team now, you got chiropractors. Nutrition is massage therapy. I remember the 70s. Yeah, your tennis tennis doubles partner was everything...
0:12:49.6 Roscoe Tanner: And you back coached each other... Everything... Because you had the exact same schedule. And so we had some unbelievable conversations about us playing together, the white guy from Tennessee. Right, that's right, racketeer. And was amazing. It was an experience on their US... Basically, I had never traveled the world, and he had... And so he showed me how to live in the world, and it was really what a nice, solid, straight guy. And he didn't understand how some of these guys thought that they would get something done by getting up screaming in somebody's face, he said, I'll just make people stiffen up and don't do anything, and now he worked hard behind the scenes, he just didn't publicly come at anybody and I... Yeah, go ahead and go ahead. Was just... He was an amazing, amazing guy, and different things to keep like ulithi signs and said that come to her, don't tell me we would play... 'cause back then, a lot of the tournaments held at very high level country clubs, and he had to endure some difficulties in that year, but he got right through it and didn't worry about it and just play this plans matches and he obviously went a lot...
0:14:30.1 Jack Broudy: Yeah, he did. And it was funny that you guys were tennis tennis doubles partners because he was known for his tennis serve as well, and I can't even imagine what the difference... I didn't know your first measures against stallion Roswell, these two guys chip in and finesse to big blasting servers and must have been quite a match.
0:14:53.1 Roscoe Tanner: It was funny because when I... We're ahead, and it's my servant, we're serving for the first set, and Arthur says, I've heard a lot about on the chandos, I've heard a lot about your tennis serve, but I haven't seen anything. He says, I wanna see four aces, and I said, art, that's not only erosion all over there. Let's just win the game. He goes on as is, so a first point, Ace, second point, the third point, Sally, got it back. There goes, I knew you couldn't do it. And that's a body, but the game... So then it comes down to serving for the match, and he goes, Okay, now you got one more chance, I want four as I said, Please, let's match. And he goes In unwitting ACE, 2 point 8, third point as. And with that, he's standing up on the net and he turns around to me and winks, and the fourth one was serving to Roswell and I just took the end of his racket, there's the courts back then were, that Supreme Court was very fast, but... So he just picked it. It was, he did not as.
0:16:01.4 Jack Broudy: On money, so he had a pretty consensual... That's nice to hear.
0:16:07.7 Roscoe Tanner: We joked around with each other on a lot of subjects, a lot of them we can't talk about these days, but we jumped around the life...
0:16:13.0 Jack Broudy: Sure, I'm thinking about Billy Gina. I promoted for a company called group dynamics at a Santa Monica, we promoted the Virginia, the Avon tour. It was the Virginia Slims and then switched over to Avon. And I used to warm up a little bit with Billy Gene came... She was kind of like that too. Kinda dry, kind of funny, but she was also like Arthur because she did a lot behind the scenes, I mean... That's another thing iconic, I'm gonna keep coming back to that word 'cause that's all I could think of last night when I did a little... Now, I know you pretty well. I grew up and you were 21, I was 17, and all the way up, and I knew Gery Groslimond, who knew you, so that I could always follow you and some other guys that I actually knew, and that word iconic always comes up, but such an iconic time in the mid-70s because you got big fighting for... She ended up with Title 9, you got Arthur Ashe on doing what he did so well being like... He was like better a little bit before federate was a classy Gen, and he got a lot done.
0:17:21.3 Jack Broudy: So yeah, no, that was, like I said, a very iconic time... And you must have known Billy gene as well.
0:17:27.7 Roscoe Tanner: Sure, inability. And one of the things that was... We formed the ATP during my career. That's right, that's right. I came over and I landed at Queens, I flew in and at Queens and came to the glacier Hotel, and I ran into Tom Gorman and he goes, What are you doing here? And I said, Well, I'm gonna read to play well, and he goes, Well, we're not playing like a whatever. And he goes, No, He says, So we are playing in the whole story about Nicky pill and all that kind of stuff. That's right. And I remember the meetings at the loser Hotel in their ball room, they had all the chairs of all the A... All the players in the room, and it was very tense because her sanath is not gonna be able to defend his title, Rose wall was probably his last I'm ever trying to... Paso, it was like a lot of big things were happening, and then we decided we weren't gonna pay... We were back in really in his efforts, 'cause he wanted to be able to not play Davis Cup, and so that happened, and willing ended up being just fine, they linked with the next level players and they had thousand...
0:18:41.7 Roscoe Tanner: Everything was fine, but it was a major deal in tennis because now the players were gonna start to have a voice before that, the players really didn't get to have a voice, like the USDA, tell us the... Or US LTA at that time could tell us A... Italianate had to come back and play in the US tournaments. They could tell the way where they could play... One, we formed the ATP, they couldn't do that anyway. And it was the same with all the different associations, they could tell the players what they were gonna do, but that was when I was an amateur again, and now I was professional and we were earning a living, so it didn't make sense for them to be telling us what we could do, and that was what it was all about.
0:19:28.9 Jack Broudy: And now I'm thinking What a parallel going on right now with the Russian players and Medvedev and rules, and all the women that couldn't play Wimbledon, and then they got stripped to their points in a way it's come full circle. Politically tennis, people don't realize that they think this is the biggest thing to ever happen, and I'm like, No, no, no, you weren't around in the mid-70s, that's what it really happened, and I always think it's rehash now because that's when these issues were really, really big.
0:20:02.7 Roscoe Tanner: Well, that's where when I saw what his yoke was trying to form a new tennis players association prize... I'm going on what happened to the ATP, that's what that was supposed to be about. But the ATP Usha become... Because it... On that tour, for the most part, it's become common... You to edit this part.
0:20:26.4 Jack Broudy: Yeah, no problem.
0:20:30.9 Roscoe Tanner: But the thing was, I always think when I heard all this stuff about... That he didn't like the ATP I was going... Why wouldn't be like the TP, it's run by the players, it is the player's organization, but apparently it's not listening to the players very well and become almost like the International Tennis Federation used to be, so it's like you kinda lost... Lost track of what they were formed for, and.
0:20:58.7 Jack Broudy: They all kind of sell out, they kind of sell out really.
0:21:01.8 Roscoe Tanner: Yeah, and if he's talking about prize money break matter can change that. You doesn't need to... For me, we were so that to change the break on... Well.
0:21:12.6 Jack Broudy: I think what happened is live is just getting so much traction now in golf that maybe the tennis players, especially the joke of it, because of the vaccine and then the Russian players, they're probably like, Hey, there's more money to be made possibly with something like this live, that's all I can see is a correlation.
0:21:34.1 Roscoe Tanner: And I could see... When I saw that, Lili was thinking, next thing, you'll see you the tennis players talking to Sandy Arabia also.
0:21:44.6 Jack Broudy: That's what... That's exactly what I said, it's exactly what I said. 'cause there's plenty of money there. And they love their tennis all over the world, and they're gonna go where the money is.
0:21:55.0 Roscoe Tanner: And one of the things that I used to think were so neat about golf is they knew their history, to say history, and now is money is busting that all up, 'cause to me, I think in tennis, you ask young tennis players or about older tennis players and they don't know any of the names, no, Mogollon, they know the history a little bit better, and so I always thought, Well, golf will never go down that line. Well, when you got hundreds of millions of dollars, it's kind of like, it's awfully hard to tell a guy not to accept it at meow. Do you tell a guy, if they're offering you 100 million dollars, how do you tell him to say no?
0:22:45.7 Jack Broudy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the crowds will all be there because they're gonna follow the players... Right. Yeah, no, I tell you, things are changing again, I think... And this has been a very strange couple of years for tenant... For everything, for all of us, I don't know what you were doing during covid, but lucky for me, I was... I know he's older than... You know Julian kinky by any chance?
0:23:11.9 Roscoe Tanner: I don't, I don't think I did.
0:23:13.7 Jack Broudy: He got to the quarters of... Well, in one year, he's 73 this year, and he had a private court in the halls, he and I played every day, we didn't miss a day and we played every day and we had a ball, and I was coaching about 30% of my players that were serious, the other 70% you lost, but it was actually a neat time for me, covid, I read 13 or 14 books. I had 20 books, I haven't done that years. And they were just fictional... Just fun books.
0:23:42.8 Roscoe Tanner: What was interesting down here in Florida, we were still able to play and they were... Had tournaments and different things, we had different restrictions on each had your own balls and all that kind of stuff, but a number of players from California came to Florida during that time, who courted course they did, or being coached by salamis or... Actually, it's her daughters. The Webster came here to Florida and were playing because they couldn't really play in... Was in... We had a very good tennis going on to... That's not too...
0:24:25.0 Jack Broudy: Did the UT tournament still keep going during that time?
0:24:28.6 Roscoe Tanner: A lot of them it was a yes. They were still going.
0:24:34.0 Jack Broudy: Huh, that's funny. Well, that was one of my... One of my ending questions. But I might as well ask now, how does it feel to live in the Free State with the best governor? In my opinion, I.
0:24:47.9 Roscoe Tanner: Think it's fantastic. What is continuing to do is to try to put decisions in the hands of the people as to what you wanna do, which is what our country is supposed to be all about. I hear you. We have, in a lot of states, for California being one where the government thinks that they know better than you on how you should live, so that's what... Here, we don't have that, we have a coyote. Parents get outside how their kids are... Talend think it is. It's the best here. And I agree.
0:25:30.3 Jack Broudy: I agree. And the people are flocking to Florida right now, your home prices are five, finally going up, I remember during the 70s and 80s, man, you can buy that stuff, 10 years would pass that still to a quarter for this house...
0:25:44.6 Roscoe Tanner: Not anymore. No, it's exploding now. The big thing is, is that hopefully the people that are moving here, because I don't wanna try to change the politics here.
0:25:57.1 Jack Broudy: Of course. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think that hopefully that won't happen, but I'm sure they have their plans to try and make it happen, I'm in sort of a middle of a purplish state... I'm over here in Colorado, I was in San Diego almost all my life, and just moved here a year ago to be with soon to be a grand dad, hopefully. So yeah, so yeah, so we're amount... We're mountain folk now, and I can tell you the mountains are kind of more like Florida, you just leave us be... Let's do our thing. And then in the city, of course, Denver and maybe Boulder, it's a little bit more of that, whatever, cradle, the grave or whatever you wanna call that. So Colorado's kind of interesting that way.
0:26:43.2 Roscoe Tanner: I have a close Nestor Colorado, because the first pro tournament I ever won was WCT in Denver. We inhibit was a cowboy town back in the 70s, Jesus, there was a restaurant, Colorado mining company, still Air, still there, is that owned it back then, and he would give us the restaurant every night, so we eat there for free and whatever, and other people were eating there too, but our Meals, it was great, and we had our own cars from the tournament with our name on it, it was done this... Right. And we'd go be there, and one night, one of the Australians, I won't use his name fairly well, mom, 'cause he'd had a lot of ershad, he came out of the park, I looking for spark, couldn't find it, but he saw a car with lettering on it, so he got it into the back seat and went to sleep... I was a cop car. A classic.
0:27:50.7 Jack Broudy: Classic. Yeah, no, those semen when I was coaching at Harry Hopkins down in the west coast of Florida back in the mid-70s. Yeah, those seas on those New Zealanders man, they knew how a party... I'll tell you what my one...
0:28:06.8 Roscoe Tanner: That was our last tournament on the tour that year, on the CT to her that year, and we had a party there, the last one gave out awards. And one of the awards was the Miss award, who is work. And the Voting came in, and it was labor, and guys, the spouse, he's on the committee for... I said, No, no, no, no, no, we can't give them miss it award to ride labor. And the reason we remember is he'd miss it, the ball, but it always went in, so it made it more of an impression, but... So we changed it. And the second place voted was being bored.
0:28:45.5 Jack Broudy: I was gonna say, I remember bore used to Shank him once in a while at that big Western grip, I remember he used to have to shake him into the crowd.
0:28:52.7 Roscoe Tanner: Yew had Rod labor present the or to be on board for the Fort Classic.
0:29:01.8 Jack Broudy: Now, I never heard of that. That must have been in real insider as a... That's a good one.
0:29:07.2 Roscoe Tanner: On Award for the cheapest guy on tour go who never bought a beer for anything else, and there was a whole lot of different awards. It was funny.
0:29:16.8 Jack Broudy: It's funny. A big question, of course. Now, everyone's gotta know. Did you have any Rocky Mountain oysters? Ask the question.
0:29:24.0 Roscoe Tanner: No, I did know what I work, but I did.
0:29:31.5 Jack Broudy: My first... I did my first week here, I had to kind of weird, but I also hate the word when I was 20 on my 21st birthday, so you know I'm one of those freaking idiots.
0:29:43.6 Roscoe Tanner: We forget to be a cocktail party for us, and I'm with other newer going along with the thing. And he picks up this one, stuff's White, and he eats it and he goes, try some of that. And I go, What is it? And he goes, No, just try something. I said, No, I don't eat, I don't know. What is a joint? Hinges it's tried. Like what's tried? And he goes, pinnate, Ting, I didn't swallow it, I went around and found a potted palm tree is in the back of...
0:30:16.2 Jack Broudy: God, that is funny. Yeah, no, now I'm the opposite. I was just in a typical tennis player probably, but I just... Whatever, try it once, if I like it and maybe I try it, why you see it, which got me into trouble, but I think tennis players like excitement or something, I don't know what it is, we all think we're rock stars, and even those of us that are unknown. And has been and never was. I was, never was, but you still feel like a rock star when you're playing tournaments and this and that. It's a fun life.
0:30:49.8 Roscoe Tanner: Well, one of the things when you're playing and you're out there on that point, you're the only one on the port hole crowds watching you, so you are to...
0:30:57.2 Jack Broudy: That's a good point.
0:30:58.4 Roscoe Tanner: That's a good point. Or the Mueller, other things where the whole teams on the field, this is... We're out there by yourself.
0:31:06.0 Jack Broudy: Yeah, and I think it should stay that way. I think the idea of coaching is... I think it's an abomination. I really don't think they should allow coaching, I can tell you whenever I watch Fed Cup, the gal that gets coached the most, almost always loses. It's crazy, it's crazy. Nobody needs somebody in their ear saying, You know what you gotta do here, you gotta... Don't miss so much. You.
0:31:31.8 Roscoe Tanner: Come down on it. I don't care if the guy's giving signals from up in the crowd, because it's so hard to police it, I don't think that they should be able to go down and get in there here and talk to them and all that sort of stuff, you need... But the signals have been around forever and... Oh yeah. And so let it go. When I was playing in the finals of Wimbledon, were also setting up in the box...
0:32:00.8 Jack Broudy: He's your coach then? Right, he was your coach at that time... Yeah.
0:32:04.0 Roscoe Tanner: And so he's up in the player's box, and I have a little flip thing, spiral flip thing with different pages numbers with different things and basically such like to stay down, get Ben your knees, whatever. And he might be sitting up there to do like this, and that meant a page too, but he's not hitting any balls and he's not giving me in-depth discussion and he's not bothering to match. So I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with coming down or sitting with the player and coaching him on the side, like a Sumter something. I think.
0:32:49.1 Jack Broudy: That's the one thing about 10 is, you know, I've always said this to my players and wherever they were, and they did a lot of gold ball type tournaments and won a lot of those things, but I always said, You know, there's no place to hide in a tennis court, and that's the beauty of it, you really put your heart on the line when you... That's why I always tell the parents, don't give your kids so much shit because just being out there, you know what kind of waves that takes to be out there... I used to yell at parents, I'm like, You have no idea, you know how come you're missing your first tennis serve, don't here, you take the rack and you show me how it's done, because like I said, there's no place to hide, and you're all alone out there and I think that's the beauty. I really do think that's the beauty, it's sort of like being being in the arena, whether it's with another guy with a sword or whether it's with a ball, there are certain sports that you are all alone out there...
0:33:46.0 Roscoe Tanner: Yeah, and no, I think the tennis is great for them, and you're a problem solver out there, I think you almost were more of a problem solver back with the equipment that we played with, and then now it's different, maybe it's just different types of problems, but one of the things that I found interesting, people will... And my daughter asked me, Can you steal sermon Valley today? And I said, Sure, but you've gotta do it correctly, and you gotta have the right value... That's the issue, not enough good values today ran down and you can't do that, and so you gotta have a good volume, but also you've gotta be a smart server 'cause what... A lot of times when I played what I was looking for a, I'm Bloor as few gases, if you feel or I was looking for bad returns, she was.
0:34:38.1 Jack Broudy: Sure. Yeah, no, there are some good servers today, there's no question about the...
0:34:44.7 Roscoe Tanner: They have huge tennis serve, they have great tennis serve, and what they basically do today, the goal is to get a bad return and hit a big forehand... That's right, that's right. They're one two punch or ships, one punch plus one was a valid different thing, but some people will say to me, Well, the returner has these no packets, and I say, Well, I think the server does too, and the horde to me is if that guy's standing way back, I'm not gonna start hard, I'm gonna tennis serve, try to maybe Jane in his hips a little bit, or maybe tennis serve wear a slice, it stays low, and he's gonna run on one way, that's what I used to play in the state. And don't give... The guy may have to tennis serve a little softer and... But you get in closer, do you tennis serve a huge tennis serve, then you don't get into plus, so of course, of course, you can't make it to the service line, a couple of things that you gotta kinda work with on it, and you gotta tell people when you're serving, you're a baseball picture. It's just like a baseball picture, and what I had when I was serving, I had 12 serves to choose from being...
0:36:04.3 Roscoe Tanner: I had a flat tennis serve, which used rarely, but charts, life, slow slice and kick, and you've picked it to three locations and a 12 serves... Noosa, my idea was that if they return, it can't be ready for all 12, so if they had a good return on my fall, I hit what they were looking for, and so I gotta change it in baseball, when a guy gets a home run, have you ever heard the picture say, nice, get. They always go, I made a mistake. So where I looked at it, when they hit a big return, I look, I made a mistake, and that changes the mental tack a little bit on the whole deal, when you're coming to mind, but I think my daughter, 2-16 now, has become a pretty good certain value and she's left in it that she's got a huge tennis serve and a huge slice.
0:37:03.9 Jack Broudy: Quick tennis serve like yours on the way up.
0:37:06.5 Roscoe Tanner: They like month like mine, and her toss is just to the point where she's gonna make contact and then he unload on it. But she unloaded with the big slice that benzoate or bends into the hip, and she's begun to know exactly where the return generally comes from, that type of tennis serve, and so she's ready for that with the first valley over to the other side of the court or whatever. So it's been interesting to see... And the thing is, that style of tennis can still work, we look at the guy... What's his name? Presse.
0:37:47.6 Jack Broudy: Look, yeah.
0:37:48.4 Roscoe Tanner: I was just gonna say like I can... Even fed-fed knows when to use it, and it scares the other guys, you know, they don't like it because it doesn't let them get into a rhythm, it's like... Gonzales used to tell me when I was playing board, you've got to get internet early, you gotta take the first or second ball and go, just go, you can hit a bad one on the first or second ball, and he Misaki, if you get into a rally where you've hit over five balls, then you hit a perfect approach... I do pass you. So you've gotta just bust the rhythm and play against all the ads, because the way I look at it was born board is a better percentage player than me, so I...
0:38:29.6 Jack Broudy: Flavoring you remember when erotic played the finals at Wimbledon against fed, and I don't know if you remember this, but for me it was the greatest, 'cause I was a huge easy fan, Ignacy came up into the booth for five minutes, did you remember that by any chance before when they were warming up, he said The greatest thing I ever heard... I know you can relate to this, Andres just great. Like I said, he never goes to the booth, but one time... And what does he say? He says, Well, if I were Andy and the reality goes more than five times over the net, he says, I just park the ball into the stands and start the next point, and I just say to myself, I went like this, I said, You're the greatest AI wish he would commentate more 'cause that was a classic remark, and he was right, you know what I mean? But actually, Andy played great that day. Hung in there. And actually, this big mistake, I think, was when Brad had him start going in that because I had a big tennis serve, but his values... I used to watch him at La Costa.
0:39:37.0 Roscoe Tanner: He's not a good value.
0:39:38.5 Jack Broudy: Sorry, he just wasn't even Bally everything, we break his wrist and Molly down the center and always step in kind of classically taught, which is not really good, because the best bodies are like Edberg, Sampras and fed, they have those nice... They angle their racket, so you get a little more pop and he would just push the ball down the center and he was target practice for these guys, so you survey and falling is in the answer, if you ain't got a valley Know what I mean?