Will Boucek The Tennis tribe: Doubles

0:00:09.5 Jack Broudy: Hi, welcome to living at 45, your host, Jack Brody. And today, I'm with old friend of mine, we'll push at from the tennis tribe, and I've known him... Gosh, almost six years now, I think. Is that

0:00:25.7 Will Boucek: It's been a while, yeah, yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, we first started working together. Yeah, it probably is coming up on six years, and we started creating some online content that's still out there on your YouTube channel, I believe.

0:00:39.9 Jack Broudy: Yeah, yeah, it is. And people don't know this, but will actually help create as you are, you and JC, I can't remember the first logo. Yeah, I don't know where it is right now, but it was a pretty cool logo.

0:00:54.2 Will Boucek: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. That was a lot of fun.

0:00:58.2 Jack Broudy: Yeah, well, it's good to see it and my viewers are definitely on an hear about this, I'm sure a lot of them follow you already, to tell you the truth, the tennis tribe is, I would say, very well known in the doubles community, a... You've really decided to focus in that or... It always makes me wonder, the first question is, where did the bass and come from, and I'm guessing when you and JC played in college...

0:01:25.4 Will Boucek: Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, we have definitely focused more on doubles and we're trying to grow, reach more people as much as we can and help promote doubles, but... Yeah, I guess I played doubles in college with JAC, we played it... For any listeners who probably don't know, we've played it a small division 3 school in Birmingham, Alabama, and... Yeah, our coach was a former professional doubles player, so his name was Paul roster from South Africa. He played collegiately at UAB

0:02:04.9 Jack Broudy: And then to... I've heard it.

0:02:07.2 Will Boucek: Yeah, yeah, so he was top hundred in the world, I think he reached 60-ish in the world and tennis doubles, so he was obviously a really good doubles player. And the year before I got there, the school had been Division 1 tennis. So JC was actually a division one college tennis player, and then they dropped to Division 3, I was... Dogtown, they dropped to D3, or coach... JC could tell you more about this than me, but our tennis coach apparently, he started to take it a little bit easier as far as training and getting up early for runs and workouts and stuff like that, 'cause it's D3 now, right. It's not done, but we still had a pretty good team with some former D1 players obviously, and we did play a lot of doubles, but fast forward, I played all four years there, played singles and doubles, and then took some time off after college is a lot of people do it, kinda got burnt out, I guess you could say. And then, yeah, when I moved to Austin, Texas in 2015, I started using tennis just as a way to meet people, so I started signing up for some leagues, USTA tournaments, things like that, and just started developing a group of friends, started playing more doubles, and that's when the strategy stuff started to click for me and I was like, There's something here with this double strategy, it's a lot different than singles, 'cause you have more moving pieces on the court, and I had experience building websites, so I built a website, started a doubles blog, and just shared it with some friends I had met through these tournaments in the leagues, and she's got really good feedback, everybody was like, Oh, I love your doubles lessons.

0:04:08.6 Will Boucek: I'd have people come up to me in tournaments who I didn't even know, and they'd say, Oh, I read all your tennis doubles lessons. So then from there, I just kept doing it 'cause people gave me good feedback on it, and now five years later, I've got the doubles podcast, I've done some pro double scouting, which we make it into in a little bit, and then also review tennis gear on the website, so there's a lot of different sides to it, but most of it is really focused on doubles and helping people improve strategically, so yeah, so it's a lot of fun and it's been a good, good journey.

0:04:51.7 Jack Broudy: Not to be annoying, but my first thought is... And my first question would be... 'cause you know how I feel about tennis. Right, you know, I like, we get a better box, I always wanted to hit a better ball, period. So my question, you must have different strategies for different levels, because if you can... First of all, if you're not playing a team, you're not playing 55 and they're not serving involving, so you don't have to rip the return down at their feet so your partner can move over and slate it, you don't have... If you don't have those skills, you're not playing a level number one, number two, you can't make that shot either. So do you have different strategies for different levels like 403050.

0:05:39.7 Will Boucek: To an extent, really, the fundamental principles are pretty similar, whether it's 30 or even pro level doubles, so controlling the middle of the court is a good strategy and doubles at no matter the level, going down the line is always a high-risk shot, no matter the level, making a lot of first serves is really important. So there's some kind of role. Yeah, there's some kind of rules and principles that apply to every level, but depending on your skill set, definitely. The servant Valley might not be something that a 30 or 35 player has. So what I would encourage them to do is to work with somebody like you who teaches technique and teaches people to hit a better ball, so that they can add that to their game, and then they can come to somebody like me and say, Okay, when should I actually be using this new servant voice tactic that I have learned from Jack. So yeah, each one is kind of a tool to add to your tool kit, and I can serve and volley, but somebody who's maybe a three, five can't, so they should start working on that work with a coach who is good at coaching technique, which I don't do myself, 'cause it's so involved and I'm a little bit...

0:07:14.4 Will Boucek: So I just don't... You teach classic doubles, you teach playing the best game, period or whatever level you're at, then you encourage people to get better so they can do... Execute, right? Yeah, and it's really kinda dependent on... It's all situational, so I really don't like when coaches say, Oh yeah, and doubles, you need to always serve and volley where it's always better to serve down the T, or it's always... I hate the word Always or the word never, because it's really a situation in this is crazy, surely they play the odd man and Abell. So that's why I feel like it's so much better to... If you can just add all these tools to your tool kit, like I said earlier, be able to serve and stay back, be able to serve in Vale, and if your primary pattern... If the thing you like to do most is serving Valley, but then you come up against that returner who's able to just rip balls at your feet and you just... You're struggling against it, if you can also serve and stay back and make that adjustment, you're more likely to win the match instead of being stubborn and continuing to just stick with what you wanna do, so it really is situational and depends on the opponent, your partner, and a lot of other variables as well.

0:08:42.4 Jack Broudy: But there are... But there are goals you're right, I can only imagine getting your return cross-court... That's gotta be good for everybody, right?

0:08:49.2 Will Boucek: Yeah, yeah, I actually created a video last week on Wednesday, hit down the line and doubles, and I talk about that returning cross-court versus down the line and... Yeah, I would say it's definitely one of the most common mistakes or one of the biggest issues I see with club level doubles players as they go down the line too often. Rely on that. Yeah, yeah, they get online too often and because they make it once, they think they should be able to repeat it all the time, so then they end up making three or four out of 10, but then you're only winning 40% of the points, and that's not good enough, right. So going down the line too often is definitely a big mistake that I see.

0:09:41.4 Jack Broudy: Not... What level are you talking about? When you say growing down the line is the biggest mistake, I...

0:09:47.2 Will Boucek: Mostly USTA level that watching. So it could be anywhere from 30 up to even 50. Really?

0:09:56.9 Jack Broudy: Yeah, it on... They don't hit down the middle and cross cortisone of them.

0:10:01.0 Will Boucek: It depends. I just got bumped up to 50 in December, and I'm teaching this stuff, so I don't think I hit down the line too often, but I'll play against another 5-0 player who... If I played this person in singles, they would beat me 1 in 25 minutes, right. But the reason they're a 50 doubles player and I'm a five-o doubles players, 'cause I'm smarter than them, but they had a better ball, they had a bigger shot, a

0:10:30.3 Jack Broudy: Heat goes right against my own theory, but in... You might be now, but you might be... Look at all the guys, there is their 40s like under pay and people that are on incredible and they have the rest, state can slice and dice the court, you know what I mean? In the small... And they just on forever, it seems like they never retire, so I gotta figure... It's a lot of placement. And here.

0:10:57.1 Will Boucek: I think it is. Yeah, it is. Maybe more so than it is in singles, just 'cause he is... There are more players in the court, so there's just a lot more to kinda calculate. But yeah, I'll have matches. One Match specifically comes to mind. I played in a mixed doubles match, it was an open level match, so all the players were around 50 level, and this was maybe three or four years ago, and my partner and I were playing against his brother and sister who were... I think they were in high school still, but about to go to college, so really high level junior players, they both ended up going and playing D1, and if my partner and I had played them in singles individually, we would have both just got smoked, but we played him in doubles, and I just incorporated a lot of net movement, made them hit down the line a bunch, and they beat me a lot down the line, but they missed more than they would beat me, and they just couldn't figure out... All they needed to do was either lob me or just stick with a cross-court shot and make me hit the valley, and we end up beating them in doubles, whereas in singles, the one that's great waterway boys and kids I coached, they just had those hippy big Western, semi-Western and Western for hands, and they just like to spank it down the line, and they don't give a damn about doubles and all they care about...

0:12:25.9 Jack Broudy: They have a singles mentality, is that what it is? 'cause I noticed some of my best singles players, I won't mention names, would be kinda dumb and doubles, they would go down the line like just 'cause I think it was... We knew they could spank that 40.

0:12:41.6 Will Boucek: I think it goes back to when we're first taught doubles, or maybe it's just like a human instinct book, but we're all tall to not hit it at the net player, so if the net player moves, we are taught because we don't wanna hit it at them will change direction and hit down the line, even if that net player has not consistently beaten us with the folly, especially I return from the ad court, and especially from the ad court, if you can hit a solid cross for return, even if the net player coaches, they have a back-end Valley, which I find is typically weaker for most players, rather than trying to redirect that down the line back in return, just hit a solid cross-court return, and even if they do, coach make them beat you a few times before... Before you adjust your strategy, because what's more likely to happen is they'll either miss that back and ballet or they'll pop it up and you'll have a short ball if you had a good solid return, especially at our level. Now, at the pro level, if somebody's coaching their values and of a different level, so they're able to put that ball away a little bit easier, so you will see pros go down the line a little bit more often, but you also see them coaching a lot more...

0:14:04.5 Will Boucek: So I think what's going on with your kids, to get back to your question is they're taught to not hit at the net player, and they probably love that feeling of hitting a down the line winner. So they just wanna do it more often. Even if the percentages don't say that that's the winning strategy...

0:14:23.5 Jack Broudy: Yeah, you know, as you're talking, I'm thinking, and I've always said that, especially among the juniors, every unit's best shot is his or her inside out for you, because there are a little more convex, they're getting a bigger piece of the bow, a bigger piece of the streams so it sinks into the streams a little more and things the ball, so everyone loves that, swipe that inside or an... So I think it's probably everyone's better shots, so they're like, Well, it's... So I'm just gonna get down on... 'cause you know what I like to hit.

0:14:56.8 Will Boucek: Yeah, a lot of players... And another thing I've noticed is at the college level especially, it seems like a lot of the coaches teach their players to just return across their body, so if you're in the ad court, if it comes to your forehand, just return down the line if it comes to your back and return cross fork, and then vice versa for the Duce court. And yeah, I guess that can work and you can... It improves your odds to hit a good ball, but it does become predictable, right. Well.

0:15:35.3 Jack Broudy: Specialist inside out backhand is not the easiest return of certain... There's a... Especially for the two hand... Right.

0:15:43.1 Will Boucek: Right. So if it works for you... Sure, but I don't like it. I just don't like blanket rules like that where it's always do this... I feel like being unpredictable is more important than sticking to one game plan all the time.

0:16:05.7 Jack Broudy: So you definitely studied it and... Yeah, I stand corrected, I guess. Whereas, you've proven it, you're out there proving a player that doesn't hit quite as good a ball of someone else, maybe not as lively and arm, maybe they're younger, you can still Denby using proper strategies. Right, and well, I think it depends.

0:16:31.3 Will Boucek: For some people, their limiting factor is gonna be technique, like for me, it's probably technique at this point, I've studied double strategy for so long, like me studying double strategy for another year is probably not gonna make a giant impact in my game, but if I could get on the court and work with you on my serve for a week, that probably have a big impact for it. It kinda depends on where you're... I would say where your limiting factor is not to mention, you'd have to get back in the gym three times and

0:17:03.7 Jack Broudy: We maybe jump rope for a couple of hours a week, maybe even get a knee replacement... Who knows? What about this thing we were mentioning before about scouting a pro Scout Pro double scouting. Are you out there like the out there scouting doubles teams for who... For big companies like head or Wilson or what? So

0:17:28.0 Will Boucek: I work with a company called tennis analytics with Warren Petrus.

0:17:32.2 Jack Broudy: I've heard of that.

0:17:34.1 Will Boucek: Yeah, he has... Most of his clients are colleges in university, so college tennis teams will take their match video, they'll send it to tennis analytics, and tennis Analytics gives them reports with a lot of data, and a lot of pro players use them as well, singles, but... Well, exclusively singles at the pro level, but I'm starting to try to implement this in doubles and over the past three years, I'll take match video from a match at the French Open, for example, send it to the tennis analytics, they will get the data for me, so I'll, I'll get numbers like first serve percentage for sure, placement return, placement on air rates, things like that, and I'll kinda analyze it and figure out how do you beat this particular team, so I've done that for... I started with the comelec who's... I don't know what she's ranked now, she was like top 10 in the world last year for a while and made the WTA finals, and I've done for a few other players as well. As we run across a girl named Abby spears, so I interviewed her for my podcast yesterday.

0:19:00.8 Jack Broudy: 'cause I used to work with her for a few years when he...

0:19:03.6 Will Boucek: I did not know that. 17.

0:19:05.4 Jack Broudy: 18, 19, right in there. So it with Eric Riley, who was a 16 old boy of mine.

0:19:11.5 Will Boucek: It was good on a

0:19:12.7 Jack Broudy: Good player and yeah, so she's the only girl I could think of that I coached that was a double specialist, right. She didn't really do crack an egg and singles, but she actually did quite well in doubles, I think she might have gotten top five in the world and got into the Goethe finals of a couple of big slams, I think... Yeah, yeah, she... There yesterday. He was great. What... That's funny.

0:19:40.7 Will Boucek: I should have mentioned your name 'cause she's a home... She was in the San Diego area.

0:19:44.4 Jack Broudy: So I was back. Yeah, I worked with her for a couple of years. She was great. Yeah, he always came with her dad, always came at from like the 19 right in there, and she end... I worked with her with the boards and she loved playing one of my boys, they were very close, immense, 17, and they had great managers, but anyway... What a coincidence. Yeah.

0:20:09.6 Will Boucek: She was top 10 and then won the mixed doubles at the Australian Open in 2017 and made some other grand slam.

0:20:16.8 Jack Broudy: I know she is. And stuff like that. Yeah, nice. So anyway, so go ahead. So tell me more about the scout. What a coincidence. Yeah, so

0:20:26.1 Will Boucek: It's funny you would think that. And I'm still getting a sense of how... 'cause I haven't worked with a lot of coaches at this point, just one or two on the WTA tour, but I'm hoping to do that more just to learn more about how they go about game planning, and on my podcast, I'll interview players and ask them about that, but what I'm gathering is there's just not a lot of analytics in doubles right now, if any, and it's grown over the last five years or 10 years or so in singles, and it's kind of common place at this point. Among the top 50, they're all using some form of analytics, so I've got a blog post and then a video series, and I'll send you the link so you can share in the show notes if you'd like to call it's called How to beat the number one doubles team in the world. So I did a scouting report for Nicole Malika and her partner, the WTA finals against Barbara critique and Caterina sinica, there's still the top doubles team in the world on the women's side, and one of the things I found was crash returns in the juice court, and most players serve down the T to her back and right.

0:21:57.5 Will Boucek: And I don't know if that's because all these coaches are saying, Yes sir, on the T, it's the best strategy for Helena. I run the numbers and I'm looking at critique of his win percentage when she hits returns that are served out wide into the body and down the team, and she wins a far lower percentage when people serve out wide to her. So then I also look at her forehand and backhand, error rate on returns in her forehand are rate is almost double her back and... Are I tell that to Nicole? I tell that to her coach, and I'm like, Hey, everybody's serving down to t to her, you need to be serving outlines her for... And she misses more, she wins a lower percentage of points, they did that, they won the FA, lost the second set, the checks made some good adjustments and then lost in a close 10 points Habra, and then I sent the same strategy to the coach of Hadad Maia and Dan Elena, who were in the finals of the Australian veteran, just through a connection, I randomly got a connection to that coach, so I was like, Oh, I have a scouting report on them.

0:23:15.0 Will Boucek: Here it is, I send it to them, same thing, they won the first set and then lost in three, so they... Obviously, in both cases, they didn't win, but it got them closer than you might have expected, and when I go back and look at the post-match analysis, the numbers add up when they're serving wides Cuse is fandorin, they win a higher percentage of points, and when I start analyzing all these numbers, I just find more and more of this where it's like most of the preparers are doing this, and it's not working as well as when they do this, so it's really interesting to... And I majored in math in college, so I love this stuff. Yeah, so it's really interesting to see that even at the top level or a game, there's still improvement to be made as far as strategy goes.

0:24:06.7 Jack Broudy: Wow, and that's why you're traveling all the time, 'cause we chat once in a while, ex an email, and sometimes I don't hear from you for a couple of days. I've been over Indian Wells or here.

0:24:18.4 Will Boucek: Actually, I'm traveling just 'cause I like to travel, I do most of that remotely, so I'm able to do all of that from him. Really? Yeah, so we get just the footage of the matches and send it to tennis and analytics, and then they send me the data and I just do it for my laptop and Email the scouting report, it's pretty strict or

0:24:40.7 Jack Broudy: It's a good addition to coaching, that's for sure. You need it then. Of course, my thought would be, do they have anything that's particular enough to where instead of saying So and so Miss so many back hands, how many going that versus wide versus long, but that would be, I guess, impossible.

0:24:59.0 Will Boucek: But we've got some data on that, but it's I'd have to look at... Yeah, I need to analyze it. Like at a different level, I've started fairly simply...

0:25:14.0 Jack Broudy: Well, I'll tell you what, I am blown away, I gotta tell you, in college, it was the same thing that I wasn't that funny. I played my best friend Billy really high, and he and I were three and four on the team, and we would always play on numbers because there was something, especially first at... We really liked playing with each other, and I think that's, at least in college ball and junior, you gotta kind of love your doubles partner, right, you gotta kinda love them 'cause you gotta wanna win for that. It's true

0:25:47.3 Will Boucek: At every level. For sure.

0:25:48.9 Jack Broudy: Yeah, and maybe... And he did, he had a lot of plays, I'm gonna... He had a big top spin for him, and we always played, everyone is circumpolar, he could spank it down, big Western grip down with their feet, so I would just run across the middle of the court, were Hasan... Some of them figured it out, but it's pretty hard to pass you when your head's buried in the ground and you're trying to pick up a body, it's hard to go inside out every time, but stuff like that. But you're right, I guess, and I hear it a lot, you know, especially some of the kids that I coach in the juniors or college, some of them will, some of them you can tell that really perform for the 40 singles. And some of them just go, I always do better in doubles. This is just a particular personality that likes to be a part of the team...

0:26:40.6 Will Boucek: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. Obviously, voles are a thing in doubles, so if you're really uncomfortable with the net, then you might not be a great double player, unless you can kinda find that partner who is really good at the net and you can set them up.

0:26:57.8 Jack Broudy: Vicente, I didn't love my game, when I was in cours of college night, I chipped to mamas and blocks and came into net, so it was really more suited for doubles anyway, it was the guys when you sit in the backward to spank balls from both wings, they didn't wanna play doubles. Right, they just... Right, and I wasn't that guy if I were... Maybe I would have preferred singles, but yeah, I had to file a little bit out there, I can do...

0:27:30.6 Will Boucek: Yeah. Well, it's part of the game. Yeah, I'm not sure. I guess another thing I would think about is, if you have a clear weapon or weakness where one side is a lot stronger than the other, right, so you see... Jack Stack has this huge... Forehand is one of the best doubles players in the world, right? Sayan just run around his back in every time and bubbles and it's no issue or as in singles. He can't quite do that.

0:28:02.8 Jack Broudy: Where do we side as we play Jack Jack. We played the...

0:28:10.3 Will Boucek: API think with Isner this year, he has played the ad court... Yeah, yeah, he did play the ad court, so... Yeah, can... It's tough when he can run around that back hand, and especially if he sets up from the doubles alley or even outside it.

0:28:29.4 Jack Broudy: Even if I take Kick, even if they kick that big kick for the return...

0:28:35.5 Will Boucek: For the return, it's different, I just mean during the point... A further return. Yeah, he still likes to run around his back and just rip that forehand, and it's still difficult, but it's not quite as consistent on the return it... If you are serving involving and you and your partner both get to the net Jacks back, they're ripping four hands. The thing I've noticed is if he can set up in the doubles alley or even outside it and have that run around for him, you're just... There's nothing you can do because he can dip it on the far side in the ad court, he can rip it right through the middle, or he can take it down the line. So the thing I would do a... I would never be paying him 'cause I'm not good enough, but if I was, I would actually play his forehand more towards the middle, so he has less angles to work with.

0:29:32.0 Jack Broudy: I just give it to them

0:29:33.2 Will Boucek: Right down the video, just give him his forehand and the closer to the middle of the... Better, 'cause that way, he has fewer angles to work with, 'cause if you are trying to force it to his backhand and you don't get it there and he has time to run around it, it just... You're done, 'cause you're in a

0:29:49.4 Jack Broudy: One... We have so much rotation on this ball, it's like My dog is wild, same more than to do... I don't

0:29:56.3 Will Boucek: Know that... Yeah, I think he Stranraer at like 30 or something. It's just, it's crazy. Is that...

0:30:02.4 Jack Broudy: I didn't know that. Yeah.

0:30:03.4 Will Boucek: I'm a big... It's something super loose.

0:30:06.1 Jack Broudy: Yeah, I love to lose streams now with the bid with the dead strains, but I didn't know he's strong, it really love also...

0:30:15.9 Will Boucek: Yeah, I don't know how low, but I know I've heard it's very, very low

0:30:19.0 Jack Broudy: Classical. You know what, I really appreciate your time today, 'cause I really... I don't pay, I'm like everyone else, or not everyone else, but I'm like so many snob tennis knobs, I really dial in mostly for the slams, but also mostly for the singles, but that's all you really get to see. You know what I mean? You don't... It's very seldom... They'll play doubles usually the tail end of the tournament, if there's a rain delay though, show double yesterday or something like that, they don't really highlight the double, so that's probably another reason I don't watch much doubles, it's not... Unless I'm wrong about that. You see, probably not an singles.

0:31:04.2 Will Boucek: Yeah, it's... Yeah, it's something that in one of our missions at tennis trips to try to grow, continue to grow pro doubles as well, right. So I'm actually wearing one of my shirts right now, I watch more doubles.

0:31:18.3 Jack Broudy: Yeah, I love it.

0:31:20.4 Will Boucek: So yeah, so we launched these at Indian Wells this year with Gabby DeBakey, who is top 10 in the world right now in doubles, she actually just won in Madrid and they made the finals of room, so they're definitely a team to watch at Roland Garros, but... Yeah, we've partnered with her and some other WTA players and a few ATP players and yeah, we're just trying to promote this watch more doubles campaign to try to get tennis channels attention and have them show it more because it's what most people play, so you would think like they wanna watch it more, and I feel like people do, we've gotten a lot of good traction on it, but you really have to dig to find the doubles matches, you have to pay for Tennis Channel plus, which is 100 a year or something, or pay for ESPN plus, they don't show it on the main note, didn't get it, but you have to get it through one of the more excursions at one of those take... You have one or two of those stations. I do, yeah, I pay for tennis channel plus ESPN plus. And I think at PTV is the other one I pay for.

0:32:34.5 Will Boucek: Okay, so you can usually find the doubles matches you can stream on one of their apps, but yeah, it definitely doesn't get the love that we think it should, so... We're working on that. Yeah, yeah.

0:32:47.8 Jack Broudy: Yeah. Is there a favorite you got for Roland Garros since we're right in the middle of that?

0:32:53.4 Will Boucek: Yeah, for the men, the men's field seems more wide open to me, I guess I would pick revive ram and Joe Salisbury since they seemed to be the most consistent team over the last couple of years, so that's kind of the safe pick, but Mackinaw dominated early last year seemed to be playing well again, they just won in room, and then on the women's side, you really can't take against critical semiaquatic people listening to watch somebody to try to implement into their own game. Caterina sinica, I think is the best doubles player in the world on the women's side, and I actually think women's doubles is better to watch for most club level players because it's a little bit more similar to our game styles because they typically will play a little bit more of one up one back here is the... So they do... And the men's game is so fast, and they have these shots that most club level players just don't have... And in the women's game, yeah, most of them will play one-up, one back, so it's a little more applicable to the USTA level, and Caterina seniors, great to watch 'cause she's such a good mover of the nut, she knows when to move forward versus stay at the baseline.

0:34:29.0 Will Boucek: They must also relate. They do, yeah. And that's the other thing, most of the women, they're not quite as tall, they don't have as much reach, so if they both do get to the net, the lab's a little bit more effective. Right, so that's why I feel like a lot of them stay kinda went up in... Back a little more often.

0:34:49.0 Jack Broudy: Alright, wow. I did not know that about women's doubles, but I guess that would make it a little more interesting. Longer points. That was one of my things when I watched a little Dublin's dubs. Some grand slam. Some here, I remember I got the points. You're just too fast. Too quick, you know. I was almost like trying to watch ice hockey, Where is the puck where I guess the women might be a little bit more fun to watch... Is that more strategy?

0:35:16.4 Will Boucek: Yeah, the ball is a little bit easier to follow. And the woman stole the Prints can be just back and forth, and it's so fast, you'll have these three ball rallies, right, it's a 120 mile an hour serve, a 90 mile an hour return, and then it's picked off right there, the net and the points over and it just happens so quickly. You, if you're looking for a place to start, I would recommend watching the WTA doubles for sure.

0:35:46.1 Jack Broudy: Good, good, good. Well, like I said, I'm gonna get back on it myself here, the safe, I was watching the doll and put it on pause, but he looked like he was cruising again in the second round.

0:35:58.3 Will Boucek: Yeah, I'm sure he'll have no issue in the first couple of...

0:36:02.5 Jack Broudy: NetSuite snob will watch singles once in a while. I launch you.

0:36:06.4 Will Boucek: Yeah, yeah, I've been watching. I've been watching a lot more in the past year or so, a lot more in a doll joke a bit, just 'cause know... We may not have that many years of them left, so when they're on, I do try to wash them just 'cause I just appreciate... It's just incredible, like watching Alka today struggle into the fifth set and then you watch Joanna and they're just so business-like just rolling through the first couple of rounds, it's just so amazing how consistently at a high level they can play

0:36:43.2 Jack Broudy: It, but I don't think we're gonna see anyone with 20 brand names. For a little while now. I don't think so either. I think these are guys, they were really something special, but they were... I think they'll start trading on and off again back in the 90s when it was humid in Sampras and this one and that, when they traded off every year a little bit, I think that's what'll happened with again, with the rankings in the study. Thanks again. Is there any place you like these folks to visit as long as we're saying our goodbyes... Yeah.

0:37:18.2 Will Boucek: Yeah, so everything's on my website, v tennis tribe dot com, you can find us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all the social platforms, if you do the one in a Stripe.

0:37:31.5 Jack Broudy: You can find him at Brodie is dot com or one of our partners. And we are very selective, very... We have a lot of discretion when we choose our partners, so separateness dot com is a bite right there, and who knows, we'll probably promote do more with one another to the future, I'm sure. Yeah.

0:37:51.6 Will Boucek: Absolutely. And yeah, and if people wanna sign up for the newsletter, they do that at the website. I do a new double strategy lesson every Thursday, so they get an email every Thursday. It's either video, podcast, blog posts, sometimes both, or sometimes all three, so that's the easiest way to follow along and see, see if you wanna get more into the double strategy.

0:38:19.7 Jack Broudy: That's great. Is that like a whiteboard thing sometimes...

0:38:23.0 Will Boucek: Yes, sometimes, yeah, the videos. I actually bought a white board with a tennis court on it last year, so I've started doing some videos with that and kinda show people how to move around the court, position themselves and were to hit, things like that, so yeah, I'd encourage people to definitely check out the newsletter that's grown, 'cause that's the best way to follow along. That's great.

0:38:45.9 Jack Broudy: Fantastic, well, I've got the newsletter, so I know that's true. Thank you very much for your time.

0:38:51.0 Will Boucek: Yeah, thanks for having me on. Alright, really appreciate it.

0:38:54.5 Jack Broudy: I'm sure we'll be talking again soon about some other little project we might wanna do together, let's do it. Thanks.

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